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    Egli/lui, ella/lei, esso, essa

    I think these two words mean 'he' ,what is the difference? Grazie.

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    Re: Egli e lui

    in everyday spoken language there is no difference, one may use egli/lui if it is the subject but the rules say:

    egli=he
    lui = him

    pensavo proprio a lui = i was just thinking of him
    pensavo proprio ad egli = i was just thinking of he
    egli/lui pensava a me = he was thinking of me

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    Re: Egli e lui

    That means I can choose one of them to use if it is the subject,right? If it is object, I should use lui?

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    Re: Egli e lui

    Quote Originally Posted by MingRaymond
    That means I can choose one of them to use if it is the subject,right? If it is object, I should use lui?
    correct!

    please remember it's true only for spoken language.
    ciao! winnie

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    Re: Egli e lui

    I would say that no one usese egli in spoken language, while you must use egli in written sentences.
    No one would ever say something like "Egli è il mio ragazzo". It sounds ridiculous

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    Re: Egli e lui

    Exactly. Always use "lui" in spoken language. No one uses "egli" which is just used in written language.

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    Re: Egli e lui

    Quote Originally Posted by shaula
    I would say that no one usese egli in spoken language, while you must use egli in written sentences.
    That means if it is the subject in written language,'lui' cannnot be used?
    So, if it is the subject, I should use 'essa' instead of 'lei' to represent 'she' ?

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    Re: Egli e lui

    Quote Originally Posted by MingRaymond
    That means if it is the subject in written language,'lui' cannnot be used?
    Perfect! You may see it in magazines or newspapers though, since it is spreading as the standard pronoun.
    So, if it is the subject, I should use 'essa' instead of 'lei' to represent 'she' ?
    The correct pronoun for a female is "ella" (essa is for feminine thing) and, yes, the use is the same as lui/egli

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    Re: Egli e lui

    Just to understand.. Shaula, you said "perfect" meaning that he CAN use it, right?
    cause his question was negative =)

    Of course "lui" can be used in written language, as it is the most common among the two options. Egli is not even used in magazines I dare say.. Maybe in newspaper, but usually just in books.

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    egli, ella, esso, essa, essi, esse - examples

    In the following, under what circumstances might “egli” be used instead of “lui”?

    Lo lui .canta. To him he sings.
    Lo egli canta. To him he sings.


    In the following, under what circumstances might “ella” be used instead of “lei”?

    Lo lei .canta. To him she sings.
    Lo ella canta. To him she sings.



    I know that “esso”, “essa”, “essi”, “esse” are rare,
    but are the following phrases still technically valid ?

    Lo lui .canta. To him he sings.
    Lo esso canta. To him he sings.

    Lo lei .canta. To him she sings.
    Lo essa canta. To him she sings.

    Lo loro cantano. To him they sing.
    Lo essi cantano. To him they sing.
    Lo esse cantano. To him they sing.
    Last edited by rambler; 13th February 2006 at 4:01 AM.

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    Re: egli, ella, esso, essa, essi, esse

    Quote Originally Posted by rambler
    Lo lui .canta. To him he sings...
    one small curve in your question... to him = gli
    To him he sings = lui gli canta

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    Re: egli, ella, esso, essa, essi, esse

    Thank you for pointing this out.

    As a ...direct object, "Lo" .means "him" or "it". Correct?
    As an indirect object, "gli" means "him" or "it". Correct?

    In the sentence "To him she sings", is "him" a direct or an indirect object? (I thought it was direct.)

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    Re: egli, ella, esso, essa, essi, esse

    Quote Originally Posted by rambler
    Thank you for pointing this out.

    As a ...direct object, "Lo" .means "him" or "it". Correct?
    As an indirect object, "gli" means "him" or "it". Correct?

    In the sentence "To him she sings", is "him" a direct or an indirect object? (I thought it was direct.)
    Indirect. Direct objects are not preceded by prepositions. She sings what? A song = a direct object.

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    lui/egli lei/ella

    Hi,

    I'm just beginning to try to learn Italian on my own using a rather old and somewhat limited instruction book that leaves a lot of questions unanswered. Looks like this forum could be very helpful though!

    First question: when should I use lui vs egli and lei vs ella?

    Thank you.

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    Re: lui/egli lei/ella

    Quote Originally Posted by duckie View Post
    Hi,

    I'm just beginning to try to learn Italian on my own using a rather old and somewhat limited instruction book that leaves a lot of questions unanswered. Looks like this forum could be very helpful though!

    First question: when should I use lui vs egli and lei vs ella?

    Thank you.
    Egli end ella are used only in formal letters or documents. I almost never use them. "lui" and "lei" are used both in formal and informal dialogues or letters.
    Hope this helps!

    And good luck with the learning of Italian! I think WR helps a lot!

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    Re: lui/egli lei/ella

    Egli/ella = subject
    Lui/lei = object

    Egli è un bravo ragazzo.
    Uscirò con lui.

    You will listen to "Lui è un bravo ragazzo". It's accepted just in speeches.

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    Re: lui/egli lei/ella

    I'm confused then..

    Why is 'he' subject in:

    Egli è un bravo ragazzo

    but object in

    uscirò con lui?

    I think there's a grammatical rule I'm not familiar with..

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    Re: lui/egli lei/ella

    Sorry. It's not the same sentence.
    I wrote two different sentence to show you the different use of egli and lui.
    Egli = soggetto
    (Con) lui = complemento
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    Re: lui/egli lei/ella

    I'm still a bit lost regarding the grammatical use, but at least I can use lui and lei while I try to learn the basics..


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    Re: lui/egli lei/ella

    Quote Originally Posted by duckie View Post
    I'm still a bit lost regarding the grammatical use, but at least I can use lui and lei while I try to learn the basics..

    Yes, you can. People will understand you.
    Claudine

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