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    FR: beaucoup (de X) + accord singulier / pluriel

    Is "beaucoup de qqch", when used as a subject, conjugated as a singular or plural noun? For example, do I say

    Beaucoup de gens habite ici.

    or

    Beaucoup de gens habitent ici.

    Because in English, you say "lots of people live here" and not "lots of people lives here."

    Moderator note: Multiple threads merged to create this one. See also:
    FR: beaucoup d'entre nous + accord (1re/3e personne)
    FR: la plupart + accord singulier / pluriel
    FR: la majorité + accord singulier / pluriel
    Last edited by Maître Capello; 7th December 2012 at 11:37 AM. Reason: note

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    Re: Beaucoup de qqch used as a subject: singular or plural

    Gens is plural, so I assume it needs a plural form:

    Il y a beaucoup de monde [singular].
    Beaucoup de gens habitent ici [plural].


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    Re: Beaucoup de qqch used as a subject: singular or plural

    Hello !
    It is quite easy : if the noun is countable > plural
    if uncountable > singular.

    Ex :
    > Beaucoup de farine est nécessaire pour faire du pain.
    > Beaucoup d'oeufs sont nécessaires pour faire un gateau.

    > Beaucoup de monde habite ici.
    > Beaucoup de gens habitent ici.


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    FR: beaucoup de + accord singulier ou pluriel

    Hi! "Beaucoup de" is followed by "sont", right? not "est"?

    E.g. Beaucoup de choses sont jolies.

    Thanks!

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    Re: beaucoup de...sont

    Yes you're right it is plural "beaucoup de choses sont jolies"/"beaucoup de gens sont venus"...

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    Re: beaucoup de...sont

    Cela dépend du mot que tu mets derrière:
    "beaucoup d'étudiants sont satisfaits" --> 'étudiants' est un nom dénombrable, au pluriel, donc le verbe est au pluriel.

    Mais:

    "beaucoup de sucre a été renversé" --> 'sucre' est indénombrable, donc verbe au singulier.

    Voilà! =)

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    Re: beaucoup de...sont

    Oui, ou si vous préférez :
    "Beaucoup de" peut vouloir dire "many", et dans ce cas, c'est pluriel,
    Mais cela peut aussi vouloir dire "much", et dans ce cas, c'est singulier.
    Last edited by Maître Capello; 22nd March 2013 at 7:08 PM. Reason: citation superflue du message précédent supprimée

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    FR: beaucoup d'autres + accord

    Hi!

    Is it "beaucoup d’autres cherchaient en France un lieu d’expression privilégié" or "beaucoup d’autres cherchait en France un lieu d’expression privilégié"? It should be cherchaient, right?

    Thanks!

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    Re: beaucoup d'autres + conjugation

    yes, cherchaient

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    Re: beaucoup d'autres + conjugation

    Yes, since the subject, beaucoup d'autres, is plural
    People don't see the world as it is, they see it as they are...

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    FR: Beaucoup de + verbe

    Bonjour!
    My students and I were discussing negative expressions. My original statement was
    Beaucoup de choses se sont passées au château de Gorre.

    The students were to make it negative using rien ne...

    My question, and theirs, was whether my original sentence was correct in being plural? Or would the singular be correct as
    Beaucoup de choses s'est passé....

    Merci beaucoup!

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    Re: Beaucoup de

    This is definitely a case of plural, as implied by "beaucoup".
    Therefore, "Beaucoup de choses se sont passées au château de Gorre." is absolutely correct. The actual subject of the sentence is "choses", not "beaucoup" (which only confirms the number).

    And so is the opposite, "Rien ne s'est passé", which must be in the singular : this is still correct.

    Some examples :
    "Beaucoup sont venus."
    "Peu sont venus."
    "Personne n'est venu."

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    Re: Beaucoup de

    Fantastique!
    I have spent so long teaching at the high school lower-level that sometimes I know that it looks right but I no longer remember how it's right!
    Merci!

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    beaucoup de = verbe singulier?

    beaucoup de + nom s'exige un verbe au singulier ou pluriel? Merci

    Beaucoup de bruit manifestait, ou Beaucoup de bruit manifestaient?

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    Re: beaucoup de = verbe singulier?

    S'il s'agit de "beaucoup de bruits" (de nombreux bruits) => manifestaient
    S'il s'agit de "beaucoup de bruit" (un bruit très fort) => manifestait (c'est "un" bruit).

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    Re: beaucoup de = verbe singulier?

    Hi caveatipse,

    In English, there are many uncountable words (eg no plural for water).

    In French, we have far less but we've some of them.
    Some of our words (depending of the context) can be countable or uncountable. That's the case for bruit.

    So as arundhati wrote it, depending on the context, we have a singular or a plural.

    ~~ edit
    Here English is similar to French.
    You can say that there is much noise (singular) or that you can hear/there are many different noises (plural).
    Last edited by GerardM; 7th July 2009 at 8:11 PM.
    Gérard - Feel free to point out my mistakes - thanks a lot!

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    Re: FR: beaucoup d'entre nous + accord (1re/3e personne)

    Hello,

    I am just trying to "slice" the various strata in that question because it's puzzling me.

    […]

    But here it is "beaucoup de". For me "beaucoup" needs plural. Beaucoup de gens vivent. Beaucoup vivent etc...

    Now let's come to "beaucoup d'entre nous". Actually I would say "vivent", whatever comes after "beaucoup" - but maybe it is just because I am old-fashioned and continue to say "la plupart vit"!!

    Cheers
    Last edited by Maître Capello; 4th December 2012 at 9:37 PM. Reason: off-topic part removed

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    Re: FR: beaucoup d'entre nous + accord (1re/3e personne)

    Hello,

    This thread is only about the agreement after beaucoup de. Please do not discuss the agreement after la plupart or la majorité here. To discuss those expressions, please do so in the corresponding threads:
    FR: la plupart + accord au singulier / pluriel
    FR: la majorité + accord singulier / pluriel

    Thank you for your understanding.

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    Re: FR: beaucoup + accord singulier / pluriel

    Hello Maître Capello,

    You are always very helpful and I saw that you removed part of my previous post.

    Sorry to insist - you will correct me anyway if this does not make sense to you.

    My question was - sorry If I haven't been more explicit (and sorry for raising again this "off-topic" question but this is really puzzling me)

    I know that there have been changes in the rules for the agreement of the verb for "la plupart de / la majorité de" (agreement with the compelement of the noun now allowed, from singular to plural) - off-topic, sorry again

    Have, to your knowledge, similar changes in the rules been agreed for "beaucoup de" (agreement with the compelement of "beaucoup de" now allowed, which would make the "vivons" acceptable) ?

    Thanks again - and renewed apologies for insisting,

    Cheers
    Last edited by Jeanne75; 4th December 2012 at 10:40 PM.

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    Re: FR: beaucoup + accord singulier / pluriel

    Because beaucoup is originally an adverb and not a noun—as opposed to la plupart and la majorité—, in the phrase beaucoup de X, it can only be considered a determiner, which doesn't call for an agreement—only the noun X does.

    There is therefore absolutely no reason (and never was) to use a singular if the noun is plural. The agreement just follows the noun:

    beaucoup d'entre nous = beaucoup de gens parmi nous → pluriel
    beaucoup de gens → pluriel
    beaucoup d'eau → singulier
    beaucoup de bruit
    → singulier
    beaucoup de bruits → pluriel

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