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    Joan - English pronunciation

    Hi there,

    How would you give the pronunciation of the Catalan name Joan in English? I'm having trouble with that first sound, J. I don't think it exists in English. (Does it?)

    Thank you!

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    Re: How to give pronunciation of Joan in English?

    It does, in some varieties of Catalan.

    Joan
    Fon.: ʒuán (or., bal.); ʤuán (occ., Cast., Al.); ʧuán (Val.).
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    Re: How to give pronunciation of Joan in English?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agró View Post
    Joan
    Fon.: ʒuán
    IPA /ʒ/ occurs in English "leisure", so English speakers ought to be able to pronounce Catalan "Joan".
    It's the short words that get you.

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    Re: How to give pronunciation of Joan in English?

    Quote Originally Posted by sound shift View Post
    IPA /ʒ/ occurs in English "leisure", so English speakers ought to be able to pronounce Catalan "Joan".
    Right. I was thinking of an initial j- [ʤ-], as in 'John'.
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    Re: How to give pronunciation of Joan in English?

    Right. Thank you both! I kept thinking of words with /dʒ/, like Agró. Somehow I couldn't think of any examples with /ʒ/ only. Thank you!

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    Re: How to give pronunciation of Joan in English?

    Quote Originally Posted by susanna76 View Post
    I'm having trouble with that first sound, J. I don't think it exists in English. (Does it?)
    At the beginning of a word, only in loan words, as far as I know: genre.
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    Re: How to give pronunciation of Joan in English?

    Right, great example! It actually gave me the answer to a question I forgot to ask: how to write the sound of /ʒ/ without using the phonetic IPA. I looked up genre and remembered: it's [zh] that I should use (the pronunciation of genre is given as [zhahn-ruh]). Thank you! (Of course, leisure is similar, but I didn't look it up in a dictionary then, and so I didn't see the [zh], which would have answered my latent question.)
    Last edited by susanna76; 17th March 2013 at 2:23 PM.

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