Discussion in 'Русский (Russian)' started by macdevster, Jan 19, 2010.
What does the abbreviation Ф.И.О. stand for? And what might its equivalent be in English?
Ф - family name
И - first name
О - father's name, patronymic
Why not "father's name"?
Ah! Duh, OK, now I get it.
Technically, a patronymic isn't the father's name, it's derived from the father's name and means "son of ___" or "daughter of ___".
"Son" or "daughter" are not mentioned directly and historically this is just a father's name in the possessive case. So I don't see mistake there.
We can go into all kinds of “philosophizing” and musings about technicalities, but for that particular purpose and that particular context (context is required on this forum for a reason), patronymic is the only appropriate option.
You could find all kinds of synonyms and descriptions for last name and first name too, why not include all of them?
Supposing your отчество is Иванович. In this case, is Иванович your father's name? Or is it Иван?
Иван and Иванович are not the same thing, so father's name and patonymic are not the same thing.
From the historical point of view, patronimic is a way to fix father's name. Exact way depends on the grammar of the language (ов) and some other circumstances (ич). That's what I meant.
Separate names with a comma.