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納得できないのも事実 (the scope of the nominalizer)

Discussion in '日本語 (Japanese)' started by John_Doe, Apr 7, 2014.

  1. John_Doe Senior Member


    After being miraculously saved from certain death, the character says to his savior:
    > 信じたくないが、魔法使いでもでなければ、納得できないも事実だ。

    Does it rougly mean "I don't want to admit it, but I can't deny that if you weren't a magician, then [your abilities] cannot be understood [other way], i.e. there's no other explanation other than magic"?

    Thanks in advance.
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2014
  2. nagoyano Senior Member

    Your interpretation is generally correct.
    This の has a function to combine a group of words to make a block.
    In this case, の combines the words 納得できない and makes a block (working as a noun).
    [納得できない] is a fact ("も事実だ").
  3. John_Doe Senior Member

    Actually, I'm having kind of argument over how the sentence should be interpreted, hense additional questions, if you don't mind.

    1. Does "でも" here mean "or someone/something" or "even"?
    2. Is right to say that "でも" means "or something" only in suggestions? (映画でも見ようか, etc)?
    3. Does 納得できない here mean "cannot accept [as truth]" or "cannot understand"?
    4. The "opponent" states that the overall meaning is "Even if you’re not a magician, I can't deny [your abilities]". Is he right?
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2014
  4. Tonky Senior Member

    1. Probably former, more like "at least ~ or something similar" I think. As in, "He must be, at least a wizard (or something unbelievable as that), otherwise it cannot be explained".
    2. You could say お茶でもいかがですか, 喫茶店ででも待っていてください for offering + giving you a choice with "or something".
    3. 納得できない basically means "I am not convinced" or "it cannot convince me".
    4. I do not understand your question.

    I would translate it as "I don't want to believe it, but the fact is that it cannot be explained unless he is/was a wizard".
    The も of 納得できないのも事実 is saying that there are two conflicting facts; One is that you cannot believe it, The other is that it cannot be explained unless it's magic.

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