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군요 vs 네요

Discussion in '한국어 (Korean)' started by wonlon, Feb 27, 2012.

  1. wonlon Senior Member

    Hong Kong
    Chinese - Cantonese
    I have long been puzzled about the difference between these two endings - 군요 and -네요. They both express exclamation over newly-known facts (as some books of mine said), but what is their difference? And really only newly-known facts?
  2. terredepomme Senior Member

    Human Language
  3. kenjoluma Senior Member

    I have to disagree with terredepomme. -네 is used by males as well. And it doesn't necessarily feel feminine at all.
    I am a guy, and I always say this. '네 그렇네요.' '맞네요' '좋네요'...

    I found an article on this.

    According to the article, 네 gives more emphasis on surprise. And 네 doesn't go with -더- unlike 군.

    I don't know why, but in spoken language, 네 is much much much (x10) more used than 군 (or its original form 구나).
    [EDIT] 군 or 구나 has some literary or poetic sense, I guess.

    FYI, my 11-year old nephew always says like this:
    "우와 이거 대박이네!" "우와, 이거 진짜 좋네!"

    I once heard him say "우와 삼촌 이거 나 멋지네!"
    I don't think his vocabulary is appropriate for his age and ask him not to say like that, he says
    "우와 삼촌 이거 나 멋지네요!" I never heard him say "이거 진짜 좋군".
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2012
  4. wonlon Senior Member

    Hong Kong
    Chinese - Cantonese
    One grammar book of mine says that 네 shows exclamation, and 군 shows strong exclamation, quite opposite to what the article from you mentioned. And another book says that 네 is more colloquial than 군, which is as kenjoluma mentioned.

    And I just found a grammar book, which has a section that compares the two ending, which says:

    네요 vs 군요:
    They both show exclamation towards newly-known facts, but 군요 show that only "now" you understand something in the past, but 네요 is not used in this way. (都表示對初次得知的事實的感嘆,但-군요可以表示現在才明白的過去的某個事實,而-네요沒有這個用法。)

    유미: 지난 주에 여기는 비가 많이 왔어요.
    대성: 아, 그랬군요. :tick:/ 그랬네요 :cross:.


    Actually I don't understand what the book says. Would you explain it further? And by the way, do you agree with the book?
  5. vientito Senior Member

    i think 군 is employed when you realize something the first time and mildly surprised by that whereas 네 has a strong degree of exclamation.
  6. wonlon Senior Member

    Hong Kong
    Chinese - Cantonese
    So far, I see there are opposing views about which one is stronger, so as Koreans see, what one is stronger?
  7. kenjoluma Senior Member

    Your Chinese textbook is somewhat correct. But I think I may come up with something that disproves what it says. Hmm.
    For example:

    -지난 주에 여기는 비가 많이 왔어요.
    -아 그랬군요.
    -아 그랬네요.

    I believe both are quite possible. I can say, in that context, "아 그랬네요", while looking at the muddy surface, learning from my observation that it was rainy last week, as well as hearing from a person next to me saying "지난 주에 여기는 비가 많이 왔어요."

    One more thing I just came up is, 네 is used when you actually realize something by yourself. But 군 is used when someone or something tells you a story and then you know it.
    In this sense, 네 is more internalized while 군 is rather externalized. (what?!)
  8. sunflowershine New Member

    Based on my Korean grammar workbook, the meaning and usage of ~네요 and ~군요 is similar, both indicate what the speaker just realized.
    However there is one subtle difference.

    ~네요 indicates that's what been realized or perceived is contrary to the expectation, while
    ~군요 simply expresses the immediate realization in a straightforward manner.

    Hope this helps.
  9. bonbon2023

    bonbon2023 Senior Member

    If I analyse morphemes of 그랬군요, there are 그렇-/-어/-었-/-군/요.
    그래 is the conjugated form of 그렇다 if combines with ending -어.
    상대높임법 해라체 감탄형 -구나(its contraction is -군).
    Although I reveal the original form of each contraction, it's natural to use -군 in many situations.
    그래 in your example is contraction of 그렇다.
    요 is 종결보조사 following the final ending -구나(-군).

    (‘이다’의 어간, 형용사 어간 또는 어미 ‘-으시-’, ‘-었-’, ‘-겠-’ 뒤에 붙어) 해라할 자리나 혼잣말에 쓰여, 화자가 새롭게 알게 된 사실에 주목함을 나타내는 종결 어미. 흔히 감탄의 뜻이 수반된다.
    해할 자리나 혼잣말에 쓰여, 지금 깨달은 일을 서술하는 데 쓰이는 종결 어미. 흔히 감탄의 뜻이 드러난다.

    The words in bold are key words for making the distinction between two.

    유미: 지난 주에 여기는 비가 많이 왔어요.
    대성: 아, 그랬군요.

    유미 여기 비가 많이 오네요.
    대성 (비를 보고 난 후)그렇네요.
  10. Rance Senior Member

    지금 in "지금 깨달은 일을 서술" sounds somewhat misleading.
    I don't think that new fact has to be realized at the point the speaker is speaking.
    I think kenjoluma summed up pretty well and simple.

    A: 어제 C랑 데이트 어땠어요?
    B: 그저 그랬네요. (그랬군요 x) B is telling A about disappointing date happened previous day.
    B: C는 너무나도 아름다웠네요! (아름다웠군요 x)
    A: 역시 그녀는 아름다웠군요! (아름다웠네요 x. A wasn't the one who saw C)

    D: B랑 C랑 어제 데이트했데!
    E: 아 그랬군요! (그랬네요 x)

    By the way. I believe:
    그렇네요(x) 그러네요(o)
    But please correct me if I'm wrong.
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2012
  11. bonbon2023

    bonbon2023 Senior Member


    A: 어제 C랑 데이트 어땠어요?
    B: 그저 그랬네요. (그랬군요 x)

    If the person B in above dialogue was saying 그저 그랬네요, not seeing the person A, the sentence having '-네' might be 하게체 having the 종결보조사 '요'.
    그저 그랬네요 seems like 서술의 뜻 in this definition: "-네 in 하게할 자리에 쓰여, 단순한 서술의 뜻을 나타내는 종결 어미."

    Although I saw '-네' was used in this way on TV drama as a way of quite directly saying, I'm not used to using -네요 instead of -어요when I think I should use -어요.

    I think the following dialogue is not natural.
    B: C는 너무나도 아름다웠네요! (아름다웠군요 x)
    A: 역시 그녀는 아름다웠군요! (아름다웠네요 x. A wasn't the one who saw C)

    The dialogue makes more sense in this way:
    B: C는 너무나도 아름다웠어요! (아름다웠군요 x)
    A: 역시 그녀가 아름답다는 소문은 사실이었군요! (아름다웠네요 x. A wasn't the one who saw C)

    D: B랑 C랑 어제 데이트했데!
    E: 아 그랬군요! (그랬네요 x)

    It doesn't sound awkward, but if I was the person E, I would reply like this:
    D: B랑 C랑 어제 데이트했대!
    E: 아 그랬어요?
    When saying something which was learnt from someone or something, ending -대 is used.

    As Rance pointed out, I spelled the 그러네요 wrong.

    BTW, The conjugations of 그러다(그러하다) and 그렇다 are so difficult! :(
    유미 여기 비가 많이 오네요.

    대성 (비를 보고 난 후) 그러네요. 그렇네요(x)

    Last edited: Nov 22, 2012
  12. 엄밀히 얘기하면, 부정부사 '너무'는 '정말'로 바꿔 사용해야 합니다. 근래 많은 국어 사용자들이 큰 구분 없이 사용하는 것처럼 보이나, 올바른 용법은 아닙니다.
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2012

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