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Discussion in '한국어 (Korean)' started by vientito, Jun 27, 2013.

  1. vientito Senior Member


    from time to time, I am seeing people dropping lots of words to form shortform but what is the logics of reducing things down to a mere consonant.

    By the way when I look at "깝치지마세요" it is beyond my imagination that it could be written like "깝ㄴㄴ"... why not" 깝ㅊㅁ" ? Why "ㄴ ㄴ"? I am just curious as to whether there's actually some reason behind choosing two ㄴ's to do the job.

    To be frank, I find this shorthand practise very strange because it is breaking the fundamental rule of word formation in korean. I can't even pretend that I could pronounce it at all.
  2. Kross

    Kross Senior Member

    That is one of teen’s cultures here. I guess extremely reduced words are probably affected by SNS(Twitter), text messages to save space and send more messages at once. It is happening around the globe like b/c for because in English. Adults like me have to learn those words to communicate with much younger people(school kids), for example, in game communities. Of course, some people are worried about this trend, but there is no practical solution to stop it. That’s the problem we have now like any other exiting languages on the earth. Or we should just look at it as a social phenomenon for our mental health. Back to your example, I have done some homework on its origin. The original form of 깝ㄴㄴ is the combination of 깝치지 plus 노노(NoNo implying 마라). To extremely reduce the expression, “our very smart” kids choose some of letters from the full form like 깝 in 깝치지 and ㄴㄴ in 노노 instead of 마라 and then put them together to form 깝ㄴㄴ. I guess they have limited English vocabulary, so choose the very basic and simple word, nono( two of no), for 마라 in Korean.
  3. Kasumi Tsuyuiri

    Kasumi Tsuyuiri Member

    ㄴ is from English word no.

    This kind of internet slang, known to Korean teens as 초성체 choseong-che 'choseong writing' due to its nature where only the choseong (leading consonant or null leading consonant marker) of each letter is written, can be compared to English acronyms such as afk (away from keyboard). Duplication appears in ㄴㄴ by analogy with the earliest choseong-che forms ㅋㅋ and ㅎㅎ (both are onomatopoeiae for laughing, thus the duplication can be probably justified). The same goes for its opposite word ㅇㅇ, which is from 응 eung '(informal affirmative answer)'.

    The reason behind the use of English no is simple: (1) Korean informal negative answer 아니 ani is inappropriate because it shares the same choseong with its opposite 응, and (2) in the Korean standard keyboard layout, KS X 5002 (also known as 두벌식 dubeolsik), ㅇ is allocated in the same position with QWERTY D, while ㄴ is allocated along with QWERTY S. As a common convention in online games utilizes W, A, S, D as movement keys for front, left, back, right respectively, a gamer's default left hand position is on those keys.

    Below is the consonant part of the KS X 5002 layout. It turns out that almost every consonant has a widely recognized choseong-che meaning in duplicated form.

    ㅂ(Q) ㅈ(W) ㄷ(E) ㄱ(R) ㅅ(T)
    ㅁ(A) ㄴ(S) ㅇ(D) ㄹ(F) ㅎ(G)
    ㅋ(Z) ㅌ(X) ㅊ(C) ㅍ(V)

    ㅂㅂ: "Bye", from English bye
    ㅈㅈ: "Good game", from the Korean reading 지지 jiji of English gg
    ㄷㄷ: lit. shudder due to fear (often as a reaction to the opposition player's advanced skill), from Korean onomatopoeia 덜덜 deoldeol
    ㄱㄱ: "Let's go", from English go
    ㅅㅅ: Sometimes stands for "Nice shot", from English shot
    ㅁㅁ: No widely recognized meaning
    ㄴㄴ: Negative answer or negative imperative suffix, from English no
    ㅇㅇ: Affirmative answer, from Korean 응 eung
    ㄹㄹ: Usually stands for 리방 ribang (리 is from English prefix re-, 방 is the Korean gaming term for game in context of join game), which corresponds to "Let's go back to lobby and then gather again." It is often implied that one who sent this message is going to create game again.
    ㅎㅎ, ㅋㅋ: laughing
    ㅌㅌ: Sometimes "Run away!" from Korean 튀어 twieo 'to run away (imp.)', or "Leave the game" from Korean 탈퇴 taltoe 'to leave'
    ㅊㅊ: "Congratulations", from Korean 축하 chukha 'to celebrate'
    ㅍㅍ: No widely recognized meaning (note that it is the choseong key farthest from WASD)
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2013
  4. vientito Senior Member

    After all there is logics behind it all. Thanks for the detail.

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