Discussion in 'English Only' started by roniy, Nov 30, 2005.
which one is the correct ???
I think "be" is the correct but I am not sure.
I suggest that you be there, is correct.
You probably do mean "I suggest that you be there" but note that "I suggest that you are there" is also perfectly grammatical, it just means something different. It is a pure statement of fact that I am suggesting that at this time you are there. "I suggest that you be there" is a polite order that you had better be present at some future time.
Hey - is that an oxymoron? You will be present in the future??
The more common way of saying it is "I suggest that you be there. (Although the "are" sounds a tiny bit odd to my ears, it's not out of the question, and I hear it sometimes.)
It's the English subjunctive (which I love) in which you use the infinitive without "to."
It's used to express condition, hypothesis, contingency, possibility, etc., rather than to state an actual fact: distinguished from imperative, indicative.
so you would not say (at least I hardly ever hear it this way): "I suggest that he comes"
but rather: "I suggest that he come" with no "s"
The Subjunctive is used after the following verbs:
Dr. Smith asked that Mark submit his research paper before the end of the month.
Donna requested that Frank be at the party. The teacher insists that her students arrive on time.
I reccomend he take his time on this exam.
The Subjunctive is used after the following expressions:
It is best (that)
It is crucial (that)
It is desirable (that)
It is essential (that)
It is imperative (that)
It is important (that)
It is recommended (that)
It is urgent (that)
It is vital (that)
It is a good idea (that)
It is a bad idea (that)
It is crucial that you be there before Tom arrives.
It is important that she attend the meeting. It is recommended that he take a gallon of water with him if he wants to hike to the bottom of the Grand Canyon
The company asked that employees not accept personal phone calls during business hours.
(but again, the verb "to be" has more flexibility in that it can be found in both forms in informal speech)
Thank you guys.... I understand it now
Is the word "that" necessary in the sentence?
I suggest you be there. OK???
Yes. "That" can be taken out.
With reference to the list of verbs that need the subjective, I am surprised to see "ask" and "urge"in this list. I thought the correct form would be for example :
- I asked him to go to the Sales department.
- The governement urged the Trade unions to stop demonstrating...
Or is it :
- I asked he go to the Sales Department
- The governement urged the Trade unions stop demonstrating....
I am really confused now... Please help !
Sorry, I wanted to write subjunctive !
You're confusing two different constructions.
"I asked him to be quiet."
"I asked that he be quiet."
"I asked him be quiet."
The subjunctive occurs after that clauses--the infinitive is used otherwise.
I don't think that I would use the second construction with "urge"; its use in the sense of "to argue" is a bit dated.
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