Split off from this thread. Frank, mod EHL Good Lord: winning, loving and loving now seem connected - and winning might be the root meaning (or is that the wrong conclusion). In my romantic (?) phantasy I would not have linked up marrying and loving, though of course I recognize the connection there generally is ;-) ) --- which might make me more modern than I thought, but OK, that is irrelevant]. I now see why : loving can be way 'broader' (if that is the correct word) than the intimate 1-to-1 relationship. 'Love your neighbour' means quite something else than 'llove your wife/husband'. But I think we do not distinguish between those by means of verbs in Dutch (or English or German). But love and live (lieben and leben, liefhebben en leven) might be connected as well then... I am afraid that will lead us to another verb: as there is love/ lieben/ liefhebben but also ?/ ?/ beminnen (minne is the old word for loving). To get started (thanks, Frank06), I checked love and live. Dead-end street, I think. Live --- 'idg. leip- > To stick, adhere; fat. Derivatives include life and liver[SIZE=-1]1[/SIZE]. ' I quote "continuance” but also 'to leave, have remaining, Greek lipos, fat, and Greek aleiphein, to anoint with oil. (Pokorny 1. leip- 670.)' Amazing. But no love. Love --- idg. 'leuph- > To care, desire; love. Derivatives include livelong, belief, and libido. (Believe and love are linked. That gets me going but not here) And as love can even mean leave, I think any link between the two is inexistent ! ;-) I suppose this track leads nowhere ! So this might be over in a minute. What do you think ?