# Number: Reading, speaking, numbers - How to say this number ,513,980

Discussion in 'English Only' started by roniy, Mar 28, 2007.

1. ### roniySenior Member

Brooklyn NY
ISRAEL: Fluent Hebrew ( Speak Russian, Learning English)
How to say this number ,513,980, in words ?

Is it correct to say 'five hundred and thirteen thousand and nine hundred and eighty'.
OR

'five thirteen thousand and nine eighty '???

2. ### ps.sur.merMember

United States, English
five hundred thirteen thousand, nine hundred eighty

3. ### AngelEyesSenior Member

English - United States
I'd say:

Five hundred (and) thirteen thousand, nine hundred and eighty.

I think the first and is optional, and I wouldn't use it. Well, the second one is, too, but I'd use that one. Just a personal preference.

AngelEyes

4. ### roniySenior Member

Brooklyn NY
ISRAEL: Fluent Hebrew ( Speak Russian, Learning English)
Thank you for your help but I have one more question
Don't you need an 'and' after 'thousand' ?
because this is one number 513980

5. ### panjandrum<<PongoMod>> EO'Moderator

Belfast, Ireland
English-Ireland (top end)
BE - as AngelEyes wrote with both ands.

No and after thousand.

It seems that in BE we use and for numbers less than 1,000
INCLUDING when we are talking about the thousands, millions, etc, etc, ...
So even quite large numbers break into three digit sets - which are numbers of hundreds.

www,xxx,yyy,zzz

www billion, xxx million, yyy thousand, zzz

We read each of the three digit combinations www, xxx, yyy and zzz the same way. So you only need to learn how we say three digit numbers and how we put them together for bigger numbers (as above).

6. ### DiddySenior Member

Spanish
Hi forum!!!

I was reading through several previous threads about this same matter, and I finally decided to take this old thread, and try to follow panjadrum's suggestion above, and I would appreciate if you correct me the following number, accordingly. I am just adding one more three-digit set to the same number in order to have the million section.

255,513,980:

two hundred and fifty-five million, five hundred and thirteen thousand, nine hundred and eighty.

My bigger concern is about the use of the "and" in the million and thousand sections, and if I should write the commas (,) between each three digits sets.

Thanks again,

7. ### DimclSenior Member

This is absolutely correct, Diddy ("ands" and commas included).

8. ### envie de voyagerSenior Member

In a scientific setting, the word and does not appear in any numbers.

9. ### DiddySenior Member

Spanish
Thanks so much!!!! It seems that I finally have resolved the puzzle of English numbers.

10. ### the_del_starSenior Member

Southern California
USA, English
I think, like ps and envy, that there shouldn't be any "ands" in formal/ technical writing.

Chatspeak is a whole other animal.

11. ### panjandrum<<PongoMod>> EO'Moderator

Belfast, Ireland
English-Ireland (top end)
It is perhaps unusual to write numbers out like this in a scientific context, but that is not the point. If a BE-speaker were to be writing out numbers in full in any context, and would be included as I indicated above.
The same point applies. You're not, surely, suggesting that BE is chatspeak

Your points are, I believe, valid for AE - omitting and in numbers is considered a clear indication of an AE-speaker over here.

(Look up speaking numbers in the WR dictionary.)

12. ### the_del_starSenior Member

Southern California
USA, English
Oh! I didn't mean to do that, just note that it's ok in AE chatspeak.
Sorry!

13. ### susanna76Senior Member

Romanian
So AE omits the ands. What about the final and in a shorter number (A) and longer number (B)? I'd say:

A. 135
one hundred and thirty-five
A'. 135 guests
a hundred and thirty-five guests
B. 468,135
four hundred sixty-eight thousand, one hundred and thirty-five
B'. 468,135 euros
four hundred sixty-eight thousand, one hundred thirty-five euros

Can you please correct my readings from an AE and a BE standpoint? Thanks!

14. ### MyridonSenior Member

Texas
English - US
In American schools, the most commonly taught rule is that "and" is reserved for the decimal point when the decimal part is read as a fraction.
135.11 is one-hundred, thirty-five and eleven one-hundredths or one-hundred, thirty-five point one one.
However, there are many do not follow this rule outside of school and use "and" as you have it.
I'm not sure anyone would say B' but rather
B''. four-hundred and sixty-eight thousand, one-hundred and thirty-five
Both three digit parts would have an "and".
As I often follow the "school rules", I would most often say:
C. four-hundred sixty-eight thousand, one-hundred thirty-five
with no "and" at all.

15. ### JulianStuartSenior Member

Sonoma County CA
English (UK then US)
In the BrE maths world, the decimal point is never preceded by "and" nor followed by fractions or numbers other than single digits so "one hundred and thirty five point one one" would be the only choice. 210.48 could only be "two hundred and ten point four eight" and could not end in "point forty eight".

16. ### susanna76Senior Member

Romanian
Thanks, Myridon. Edit: So to simplify things
1. For numbers only, go for no "and" at all, or for all of them.
2. For numbers followed by a noun, include the "and."

JulianStuart: Thanks so much. I was not aware you couldn't say "point forty-eight." Thanks for . . . pointing that out.

Last edited: Aug 20, 2011
17. ### JulianStuartSenior Member

Sonoma County CA
English (UK then US)
That is true for BrE, but it is widely said that way in the US.

18. ### EgmontSenior Member

Massachusetts, U.S.
English - U.S.
Two other things:

1. There is never a comma before the first digit of a number or after the last one. This should be written in figures as "513,980" with only one comma in the middle.

2. In English there is no space between a punctuation mark (such as the question mark here) and the word before it.

19. ### halmomSenior Member

korean
I am trying to read the following numbers as follows. Am I right?

74, 621, 990

seventy four million six hundred twenty one thousand nine hundred ninety nine

20. ### SwissPeteSenior Member

94044 USA
Français (CH), AE (California)
seventy four million six hundred twenty one thousand nine hundred ninety nine

Keep in mind that different languages have different punctuation schemes for numbers.

21. ### Rover_KESenior Member

In BE we say 'Seventy-four million, six hundred and twenty-one thousand, nine hundred and ninety'.

22. ### BiffoSenior Member

England
English - England
23. ### natkretepModerato con anima (English Only)

Singapore
English (Singapore/UK), basic Chinese
Moderator note: halmom's thread (from post 19) has been merged with an earlier thread.