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Pain without suffering is like victory without struggle

Discussion in 'Lingua Latina (Latin)' started by speakinglanguages, Sep 12, 2013.

  1. speakinglanguages New Member

    Russian
    I would really appreciate if somebody could translate this quotation into Latin: "Pain without suffering is like victory without struggle."


     
  2. Scholiast Senior Member

    Reading, UK
    English - UK
    Greetings

    Not ideal, but try this:

    dolor sine patientia, sine labore victoria.

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  3. dubitans Senior Member

    Vienna, Austria
    German - Austria
    patientia: patience

    I'd say patiendo​ instead.
     
  4. fdb Senior Member

    Cambridge, UK
    French (France)
    What is actually the difference between pain and suffering? In Latin at least dolor can be translated with either one.
     
  5. William Stein Senior Member

    San Jose, Costa Rica
    American English
    There's a lot of "semantic overlap" between the two but I think "pain" tends to be physical and "acute" and "suffering" tends to be mental and long-term, but of course there are millions of counter-examples.
     
  6. michaelhenchard100

    michaelhenchard100 Junior Member

    Ireland
    English (Ireland)
    Perhaps you mean "gain without suffering ..."?
    That would make more sense to me at least.

    Emolumentum sine dolore ... ?
     
  7. William Stein Senior Member

    San Jose, Costa Rica
    American English
    That's a good point, "pain without suffering" doesn't mean anything. "Gain without suffering" would be related to the "no pain, gain" idea
     

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