Too many contextless queries

Discussion in 'Comments and Suggestions' started by Cath.S., May 24, 2005.

  1. Cath.S.

    Cath.S. Senior Member

    Bretagne, France
    français de France
    Hi, Mike, :)
    I decided to start this thread as a lot of us in the French-English forum get very annoyed at people asking for translations of single words or phrases without providing context of any kind, which makes it nearly impossible to provide an appropriate answer - other than by chance! :eek:

    So how could we entice new members to provide context when they ask their question?

    Could there be a note visible by all forum users whenever they start a new thread, a few inescapable lines saying something like:

    :) Please help us to help you by providing context to your query.
    The easiest way to do so is to quote the sentence that contains the word/phrase you're requiring help about.
    If this is impossible, try and briefly explain where you encountered it.
    Thanks!:)
    ?
     
  2. cuchuflete

    cuchuflete Senior Member

    Maine, EEUU
    EEUU-inglés
    Hi Equeule,

    We had a similar conversation recently. Here is one fine idea from GarryKnight:
    We are also testing a Thread Starter form that will require context. It is being used in the SP special terminology forum, and when we have a little more history with it, we are likely to modify it for use in the general language forums. It cannot force a member to give useful context, but it certainly improves the odds.

    regards,
    Cuchu
     
  3. timpeac

    timpeac Senior Member

    England
    English (England)
    What's the Spanish for "to get"?
     
  4. DDT

    DDT Senior Member

    Paris, France
    Italy - Italian
    And in French ??? :confused:

    Jokes aside, you did make the point, Tim. I fully agree with egueule about the fact that the FR-EN forum is invaded by threads where no context is provided.
    You might have noticed some of the most active foreros often happen to post invitations to add some context, so do I.
    Personally I already follow the quoted (above) suggestion: "we could ask for context just once then refrain from replying again until such context is given"

    A Thread Starter form that requires context might be a good solution, we'll see... :rolleyes:

    DDT
     
  5. Jana337

    Jana337 Senior Member

    čeština
    This is hardly enforceable, I am afraid. You will not convince all members to ignore contextless questions. There are occassionally brand new members who start their "career" here not by asking a question but by replying to one. How would you inform them about give-one-chance-only rule?

    I would prefer this: Until a certain level of seniority (say 100 posts) a window with "Have you provided enough context?" should pop up whenever the member clicks on Submit New Question. Is this the principle of the Thread Starter that some of you were talking about?

    Jana
     
  6. DDT

    DDT Senior Member

    Paris, France
    Italy - Italian
    I was just quoting something I fully agree with, I didn't mean it's a rule everyone is supposed to follow ;)
    As I wrote it's the attitude I am personally adopting so that as long as a member doesn't provide any context after being invited to I choose not to post any further

    DDT
     
  7. cuchuflete

    cuchuflete Senior Member

    Maine, EEUU
    EEUU-inglés
    Jana,
    Have a look in the ST sub-forum in Spanish. click the "Start a thread" button and you will see the entire form. We wouldn't use the source and target language parts for the general forums, but the rest may well be useful.

    regards,
    Cuchu

    PS- until we began using this form, some of the worst offenders were the more senior members!! DDT is notorious for this... Search for the Pickled altimeter thread for a fine example:D It's a classic!
     
  8. fetchezlavache

    fetchezlavache Senior Member

    metz, france
    france
    so what's stopping us from extending the use of that form then ?
     
  9. mkellogg Administrator

    South Florida
    English - US
    I see two things we might be able to do.

    1. Put Equele's sentence in there, in bold. Possibly even add a checkbox that says "I have provided context" that they have to click if we want to get more serious.
    - That solution is easy.

    2. Modify the New Thread form like we have in the Spanish Specialized Translations forum. We could add a separate box for an Example Sentence.

    I think we should try the first one as suggested by Equele and see how that goes.

    Mike
     
  10. fetchezlavache

    fetchezlavache Senior Member

    metz, france
    france
    ah the checkbox idea is great !! :):)

    solution 1 seems fine. what do others think ?
     
  11. Jana337

    Jana337 Senior Member

    čeština
    Great. Has there been a substantial improvement since you introduced the feature or are there ways to circumvent even such an elaborate mechanism?

    Jana
     
  12. DDT

    DDT Senior Member

    Paris, France
    Italy - Italian
    I like both solutions.

    If to implement egueule's suggestion is technically easier, I'm all for it!

    DDT
     
  13. LV4-26

    LV4-26 Senior Member

    I'm for the first solution. Or at least, I'm willing to try it and see what happens.
     
  14. Cath.S.

    Cath.S. Senior Member

    Bretagne, France
    français de France
    Thank you Mike, and thank you all for answering me, I knew this would strike a sensitive chord with you my dear friends!
    I agree the checkbox idea is brilliant - what more can I say? Not much.
    Thanks once again!
    Let's try this and see what happens, as Jean-Michel wrote in his wisdom.:)
     
  15. cuchuflete

    cuchuflete Senior Member

    Maine, EEUU
    EEUU-inglés
    When the ST forum opened, we required source and target languages, a sample of the material to be translated, and a background statement, in that order. Results were fair. More than half the sample sentences were complete, and about 10% gave useful background.

    Last week we changed the order, and made background obligatory. Have a look at the threads. Things are much improved, I think. We learn by trying things out.

    I like Equeule's idea, and Mike's confirmation click. We will continue to experiment until this is working well, and then we will welcome further ideas for improvement.

    thanks for helping,
    Cuchu
     
  16. Apus Senior Member

    Confederatio Helvetica French
    I have learned not to open a thread the title of which is not explicit. Sorry for the poster who is very likely a nice forer@ in need of help.
     

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