Urdu: jab bhii vs jab kabhii

Discussion in 'Indo-Iranian Languages' started by Qureshpor, Aug 3, 2013.

  1. Qureshpor Senior Member

    Punjabi, Urdu پنجابی، اردو
    In Urdu, we have the following set of words:

    1) kuchh, ko'ii, kabhii, kahiiN with a corresponding set..

    2) jo kuchh, jo ko'ii, jab kabhii, jahaaN kahiiN


    What do you think is the difference between...

    2) jo kuchh, jo ko'ii, jab kabhii, jahaaN kahiiN set on the one hand..

    and

    3) jo bhii, jab bhii and jahaaN bhii on the other?
     
  2. marrish Senior Member

    اُردو Urdu
    I'm sorry it took so long for your thread to be answered, when I saw it I didn't pay proper attention and it seemed a question not so obvious and quite extensive. Now I came to understand what is being asked. My advice to let the thread live is to add some sentences for illustration. I have several thoughts about this issue, let me begin with this:

    jo bhii aaye xaalii haath nah jaa'e
    jo bhii maaNgo mil jaa'e gaa.

    jo kuchh
    can't be substituted in the first sentence = this is the first difference.

    The issue is not so dreadful as it seems to be so I hope we can have a discussion with all active friends included. Let's revive the Urdu-Hindi chapter of this forum!
     
  3. Qureshpor Senior Member

    Punjabi, Urdu پنجابی، اردو
    ^ I appreciate that "jo kuchh" is not used for persons.

    maiN ne us se jo bhii maaNgaa, us ne mujhe de diyaa

    maiN ne us se jo kuchh maaNgaa, us ne mujhe de diyaa

    (maiN ne us se kuchh bhii maaNgaa, us ne mujhe de diyaa)

    .........................................................................

    vuh jahaaN bhii ga'ii use 3izzat kii nigaah se dekhaa gayaa

    vuh jahaaN-kahiiN ga'ii use 3izzat kii nigaah se dekhaa gayaa

    (vuh kahiiN bhii ga'ii use 3izzat kii nigaah se dekhaa gayaa)

    .................................................................................

    jab bhii us ke haath kuchh paisaa lagaa, us ne uRaa diyaa

    jab-kabhii us ke haath kuchh paisaa lagaa, us ne uRaa diyaa

    (kabhii bhii us ke haath kuchh paisaa lagaa, us ne uRaa diyaa (?))

    What is the difference in meaning between the first and second options?

    (The sentences in brackets are yet another variation on the theme..with a difference!)
     
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2013

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