Warn vs Warning in generic smilies

Discussion in 'Comments and Suggestions' started by audia, Mar 25, 2007.

  1. audia Senior Member

    What is the difference between :warn: warn and :warning: warning. Is one for explicit language and one for moderators?:confused: Is there concensus?
  2. TrentinaNE Senior Member

    English (American)
    Good question, audia. I haven't seen much use of the :warning: icon. In the IT-EN forum, we have specified how to use the :warn: icon to label potentially offensive terms.

  3. Etcetera

    Etcetera Senior Member

    St Petersburg, Russia
    Russian, Russia (St Petersburg)
    The same with the Slavic Languages Forum - we only use :warn: to mark swear words and the like. Maybe because it's more bright and less likely to skip unnoticed.:rolleyes:
  4. mkellogg Administrator

    South Florida
    English - US
    I really should get rid of one of those two to speed download times by a few milliseconds...
  5. TrentinaNE Senior Member

    English (American)
    Well, if we get to vote, Mike, I'd say delete :warning: and keep :warn: .

  6. mkellogg Administrator

    South Florida
    English - US
    If we are all in agreement that we like one over the other, then everything's good. I'm just waiting for somebody to say that in some other forum, they use the opposite symbol. ;)
  7. maxiogee Banned

    I'd second that, and offer :mad: as unsuitable for these pages and would ask if we need :arrow: — I don't think I've ever seen it used. What does it do that > or —> doesn't? Had we a mirror-image of it I might see why, but one without the other seems odd.
  8. ILT

    ILT Moderando con moderación

    México - Español/Castellano
    In Sp we use :warn: and :warning: indistinctly to warn others of offensive terms. We wouldn't miss :warning: at all.
  9. Bienvenidos

    Bienvenidos Senior Member

    I use :warning: all the time just because I didn't know that :warn: existed. Now that I look at them both, the second one is more inviting, while the first stands out more (makes the better point).

    I always use :warning: when pointing out a BE CAREFUL NOT TO MAKE THIS MISTAKE phrase. Like :warning: Careful! This phrase means, "I am an egg," NOT "I eat an egg." Bad example, anyway:

    My conclusion is
    1. If you want to get rid of :warning:, that's okay, and it would be great if it helps the server, too. But I do use it a lot, and that's just because I didn't know the other one existed.
    2. We could get rid of
    And even: :idea: ; I don't see it much, but if someone who is reading this uses it, please don't take offense to me offering to delete it!

    These are only icons, so whichever one we keep is fine with me. :D

    I just want to mention that I put a lot of smilies to make my post brighter but of course I forgot about the 8 per post rule so sorry if my post seems bland. (Smiley face would go here if I could put it here. Another smiley here.)

    And finally, one more here.
  10. DearPrudence

    DearPrudence Dépêche Mod

    French (lower Normandy)
    You're right, I find this :arrow: particularly ugly and fortunately I can't remember ever having seen it (if I need such a thing I prefer a classic "->"). I've seen this one :idea: , maybe once or twice but I'm not particularly fond of it (I guess it's because it doesn't happen to me much :p ). I suppose it's only because I'm on the French forums but I've never seen this one :warning: and graphically I'm not fond of it :D
    Voilà, voilà, just my opinion but please, keep green grin alive :D :D
  11. . 1 Banned

    Ferntree Gully
    Australian Australia
    I must be an olde worlde nudge but I really can't see the point of any smilies. ;)

    There is nothing wrong with a little rofl or a :)

    I have noticed on small forums that an excessive number of smilies really slows downloads.

    This is a language forum and I find smilies to be the equivalent of canned laughter or prefabricated signs handed out at sporting events. There is no thought or creativity with smilies. It is just a mouse click to quote somebody else with a prepackaged emotion. What's the point? ;(

  12. Bienvenidos

    Bienvenidos Senior Member

    :) :D I just think they show a touch of personality, make things less boring. (Not that anything is boring to begin with.)

    :) :D

    Besides, if ya got 'em, use 'em!

    :) :D :) :D
  13. ElaineG

    ElaineG Senior Member

    Brooklyn NY
    One useful aspect of smilies (though I would survive their disappearance) is that they can help emphasize tone, which is often misread on the Internet, as every user of this forum can attest.

    Another useful aspect of canned smilies such as those available here is that they tend to discourage the creative use of >>>>------)))) and the like, which would be a true plague, and cause this moderator, at least, to go into some sort of apoplectic shock.
  14. Bienvenidos

    Bienvenidos Senior Member

    :thumbsup: Great point!
    This is one of the greatest uses of the smilies.



    Hi guys. I have another question for you; I know I ask them all the time, but this one is important.

    I have to say this to a co-worker.

    Is it correct to say, "You, right here, have them" in a sentence?

    Thanks for all your help, once again.


    No, Luis. You really messed up. A lot.

    It's, "You have them right here."

    Try harder next time.


    :D No, Luis. :p You really messed up. A lot. :D :p

    It's, "You have them right here."

    :D Try harder next time.:)

    The first seems harsh and brutal. The second shows a playful, joking and sincere attitude, maybe between Luis and a forer@ he has known for a long time in the forums.

    Ahh! We don't want that to happen! So we will make sure that that doesn't happen. :)
  15. vachecow Senior Member

    USA English
    I agree that there is really no use for :mad: . I think anger is something we try to avoid.

    Unless its being used sarcastically, but I haven't seen that much/at all.
  16. . 1 Banned

    Ferntree Gully
    Australian Australia
    I agree.
    If this :mad: was not available there would be less bent noses in this joint.

    The forum rules forbid personal attack.

    How can I be allowed to use a :mad: frownie but be deleted and possibly banned for saying "I am :mad: at you" or "You are :mad: "? This is :mad: ness.

    :cross: or :thumbsdown: are more than negative enough in a multicultural forum.

    Sarcasm is dangerous at the best of times but sarcasm using automatic pictures or more critically the sarcastic use of icons of indeterminate interpretation is something that would require so much literary and diplomatic skill that the person possessing such skill would never stoop to an ugly hieroglyph to make a sarcastic point.

    People are more fun to converse with than automated software or macros.

    I prefer eloquence and originality over spell checks and mechanization.

    EDIT: I was required to edit this post as the maximum allowable number of smilies is eight. This means that there is some form of load on the process and if the loss of the smilies were to make the forum run with more ease I can not see enough reason to continue using the things.
  17. DearPrudence

    DearPrudence Dépêche Mod

    French (lower Normandy)
    I still think they are important to convey the tone that you can't hear when you read something. But well, I won't repeat what has been said

    I don't use it much but it happens that sometimes I'm quite angry with some things, not with what a forer@ has said but with some uses of language or attitudes maybe but I will never insult anyone, I just have to accept the world the way it is without even uttering a swearword or aiming at anyone.

    Yes, I agree there are negative and I avoid doing:
    'I caned spoken not englisch' :thumbsdown: or :cross: "
    I only try to use it for my own sample answers to try to explain something, saying that one thing is not correct. I'm sorry but in language, those kinds of things happen.
    And an example here (let's note I didn't use that green arrow and that I've made a very careless mistake :rolleyes: )

    I can't remember having used :thumbsdown: (apart from my own suggestions maybe no more than a couple of times) but :thumbsup: a lot, which is a bit more catchy than : thumbsup : or "well done" (even if it doesn't prevent me from also writing a little comment. But OK, next time, if someone has managed to write "my name is Norman" correctly in French I will write: "Wow, I think your French is wonderfully superb, where have you learnt to master the language so well? I think we should build you a temple and lick your feet to show our submission to your superiority :p (= Hey, just kidding ;) ))

    Anyway, I suppose such smileys are not much needed in the cultural forums but I think they can make things clearer in the language forums ...
  18. geve

    geve Senior Member

    France, Paris
    France, French
    A technical question: If you do that, does that affect threads where this icon was used?
    I think I've seen some rather old threads where a link appeared in lieu of a smiley that maybe you had removed in the meantime... If so then is it technically feasible to assign the :warn: icon to both codes :warn and :warning? Just for the ease of read. Of course it's not that big a deal, since apparently the :warning: isn't used very often...

    There IS something wrong with "rofl": it's an abbreviation. I could write "mdr" but how can I be sure you get the idea?
    And I don't understand your ;( - how can you possibly be winking and sad at the same time? :confused:

    I prefer that we all use a small number of expressive icons, rather than we start writing things like "rofl" in the language forums or people make up their own customised smileys that only they understand.

    (And I must confess that I use this one :mad: quite often - in PMs!!)
  19. ElaineG

    ElaineG Senior Member

    Brooklyn NY
    Me too! For example, when speaking to a fellow mod after cleaning up a thread full of chatspeak :).
  20. KaRiNe_Fr

    KaRiNe_Fr Senior Member

    France, Provence
    Français, French - France
    I must confess I always use this one :warning: into the language forums for three four five six main reasons:
    1. it's graphically smarter than the other one
    2. it's an international warning symbol known by all the drivers
    3. it doesn't share the same primary rounded shape than the other smilies
    4. it's located at the bottom of the smilies list-box, and -call me a masochist- I love using the wheel of my mouse (or my touchpad)
    5. I don't want to disappoint Mike expecting someone would say the opposite about this smiley
    6. combining this smiley with the green grin, you can make up a brand new symbol expressing madness:

    (Ok, ok, only the first three reasons are valid...)
  21. maxiogee Banned

    That's great KaRiNe. I wish I'd created that. :mad: <—That's the smiley I never use! Best use it while it's here.
  22. TrentinaNE Senior Member

    English (American)
    Actually, that's the most convincing argument I've heard! ;)

    Hmmm, how else can we combine smilies to new effect?

    :thumbsup: for "I challenge you to a thumb-wrestle"?
  23. DearPrudence

    DearPrudence Dépêche Mod

    French (lower Normandy)
    * DP on mode repeat - beginning of the interruption *

    Me again :rolleyes:
    Just to add that even if you don't understand the language, you can see the intention of the writer thanks to those visual & international smileys, as you would hear the tone or see the face of the other person if you spoke with him/her.

    Then I had overlooked .,,'s "rofl" which I don't understand (excuse my ignorance :eek: ). On the French forums, it happened that someone wrote "mdr" (= lol) and that some forer@s didn't understand what it meant (I was among them at first) and sometimes you "lost" three posts explaining what it meant, losing sight of the original question ...
    I don't use smileys to make my messages look pretty but to convey things that would be too long or anything to express with words ...

    * DP repeat mode - end of interruption *
  24. . 1 Banned

    Ferntree Gully
    Australian Australia

  25. mkellogg Administrator

    South Florida
    English - US
    :mad: I just tried to delete a few smilies and, yes, it does affect previously placed smilies as geve suspected. This is too much of a pain to work on now, but I might come back to the issue and delete them in a week or two if I find a good way to do it.
  26. :warn: [​IMG] Grrr!

    Just practising.

  27. geve

    geve Senior Member

    France, Paris
    France, French
    Now, now, don't pull that face or you'll get all wrinkled. :p
    Is it possible to make the code appear when the related icon was deleted? Ie. to have : warning : written where posters had used the :warning: icon? It would be less obstrusive than http://forum.wordreference.com/images/smilies/warning.gif...

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