Discussion in 'English Only' started by monalisa!, Apr 9, 2013.
Is a wine bowl only a bowl for wine bottle, or, can it refer to a wine glass?
I don't think it can refer to a wine glass, monalisa!
I sure wouldn't understand that you were drinking from a glass if you told me that you took a sip from a wine bowl. If you told me that, I would think that you were drinking from a bowl, not a glass.
Thanks, owlman, probably in the past!
And can a sugar bowl look like that
or can in any case a bowl (without a qualifier such as washing-up) refer to a square vessel?
You're welcome. I think I'd call that thing in the picture a "sugar dispenser". I sure wouldn't call it "a bowl".
As long as a vessel served as a bowl, I'd call it a bowl even if it was square rather than round. It would have to have some depth, and it could not be tall like a cylinder. Sometimes a picture really is worth a thousand words. Here are some pictures of bowls that I found by using Google, picking "images", and typing in the word "bowl": bowls
What are you thinking of when you say "wine bowl"?
I haven't heard the term wine bowl used of a glass. I think I have heard it used of an ancient Greek vessel used for mixing wine and flavouring ingredients, like this one: http://www.southalabama.edu/history/faculty/monheit/101/Hellenes/red-figure-wine-bowl.jpg
Hi Copyright, I had deleted this part and made a new thread as I remembered you can't ask two questions in a thread. For some reason I did not succeed.
The new thread has been deleted. Could you please confirm that under no circumstances such an object can be defined a "sugar bowl"?
Thanks, I do regret the inconvenience
I can't answer for Copyright, but I'd call that thing a "sugar dispenser". It would confuse your reader or listener if you called it a "sugar bowl".
That exactly what Copyright said, Thanks, owlman
As to the wine bowl it is still used in Asiatic countries.
As to the square vessel I think a wahing-up bowl must be square to fit in a sink!
In the now-deleted-by-me thread, I also said "sugar dispenser" -- it is designed to dispense a certain portion of sugar with each use.
I would call a non-round washing-up container a basin, not a bowl.
I would too.
I was fooled by a google search, as you can see most of them are square:
Thanks for the pictures, monalisa! I'd call most of those things "basins", not "bowls". I generally reserve "bowl" to describe vessels that people eat something from. If the containers are fairly large and are not used to eat from, then other words such as "basin" or "container" are probably better than "bowl".
One exception to owlman's "eat from" guideline (which I generally agree with) is food-preparation bowls: salad bowls or mixing bowls, for example.
Could we add a flower bowl?
In the right shape, a flower bowl would be fine.
Only yesterday I saw on a BBC antiques programme, the sale of a set of champagne bowls. In my book these should be shallow drinking-glasses in contrast to the equally traditional champagne flute.
However, the items on the programme were deeper, hemispherical, with a stem and foot, like a wide-mouthed brandy glass. I don't have any problem with them being called wine bowls (though in all honesty I'd have used them as sundae dishes).
Like the first: http://myhome.bormioliroccocasa.it/i...aucer-stw.html, not the second.
Are you thinking of a punch bowl?
Round or square, it's a washing-up bowl to me.
So, Keith, if we put wine in there , does it become a wine bowl?
That's what the antiques expert said. Who am I to argue?
I meant something like Keith's or this
Champagne, punch or wine, does it make any difference???
(Of course I knew of the bowl/ bucket for cooling it)
That's because you have "US" after your native language.
In Britain, the washing up bowl goes inside the basin, more commonly referred to as a sink. The kitchen sink.
So as ever with this forum, Monalisa! needs to decide if she want's to speak BE or AE!
To me a wine bowl refers to a shallow, wide (maybe twice the normal diameter of a cup), handle and stemless cup, that you drink wine from, like this:
Definitely BE!!, I said that a washing-up bowl must fit into a sink!,that is the logical explanation of the exception, I suppose
I think "punch bowl" is a special case.
This is because wines are served typically from bottles or carafes, whereas punch (from the sanskrit panch = five) has five ingredients which are mixed together in, and served from, a large bowl. To make the distinction between that and the smaller thing that you drink it out of, I would always talk of (a) a punch bowl and (b) punch glasses, whatever the shape of the latter.
But no doubt other views will differ.
Monalisa's http://www.wheelandbarrow.com.au/PUNCH-BOWL-Springtime-3L/ has the great disadvantage that there's no indication of its size. Is it the large mixing-vessel (bowl) or the small drinking-vessel (glass)? Given the high price, I very much hope it's the big one!
In BE, I would agree. a basin is usually fixed to the wall, made of ceramic material or steel and has taps on it.
As far as bowls are concerned, they can be any shape. Here are some square bowls The essence of a bowl is that its diameter will measure significantly more than the height; a bowl will be capable of containing something and the top is always open.
Those look a little inelegant for champagne for me, but I suppose they're burly versions of the coupe/saucer. The two classic styles of stemware for champagne are the flute and the coupe, also known as a saucer, but I save that terminology for the cat's champagne glass.
Here's a Wikipedia article on Champagne stemware -- I've linked directly to the coupe/saucer because we're discussing bowls, but you can scroll up to the beginning of the article.
No, Paul, you used a qualifier for your search, I asked if it can be square without any qualifiers (such as...)
If you add any qualifier, bowl takes the general meaning of vessel, I suppose
Ah! There are two things here: (i) the concept of a bowl and (ii) a bowl as a material object. The general concept of a bowl is that it is circular and has a depth less than the measurement of its width. When we say something like, "The design that I want is a bowl" Here, we mean that the design should be "bowl-shaped". This is definitely circular, of any diameter at all, can contain something and has depth.
However, "a bowl" as a material object, e.g. a fruit bowl, a rose bowl, a mixing bowl, a sweet bowl, etc, may be any shape. So, yes, a bowl may be various shapes but is generally understood as being circular.
Looks like a sundae dish to me!
The bowls my family use look like this - definitely square, definitely bowls.
I would call that sugar dispenser a "sugar caster."
Hi, Keith, just for the record, you were right, they are officially on the market : http://atozpartyrentals.biz/rentals/glassware-rentals/
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