1. MonsieurGonzalito

    Punjabi: ਛੱਡਣੀ / چھڈّنڑی

    The following verses are my last unknown piece from the song "Naa Jaa". It is a generic, casual love song, a man is clumsily courting a woman who appears to be unhappily married, but she rejects his advances: توں اَجّ مینوں روکی نہ تیرے کولوں ہاں کر کے چھڈّنڑی ਤੂੰ ਅੱਜ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਰੋਕੀ ਨਾ ਤੇਰੇ...
  2. MonsieurGonzalito

    Punjabi: نئیں / ਨਹੀਂ

    I am sorry for the silly question, but, are نئیں and ਨਹੀਂ the same word? If so, is it fair to say that the Shahmukhi spelling already factors in some tonal value of the ਹ ? Thanks in advance
  3. I

    Urdu/Punjabi: اکٹھ

    دوستو۔ میں "اکٹھ" کا معنی اور تلفظ کا شکار کر رہا ہوں۔ اس جملے پر غور کیجیے۔ اس اکٹھ میں پیپلز پارٹی۔۔۔اور پاکستان عوامی لیگ شامیل تھی۔ غالب احمد یار خان کی کتاب"میں نے پاکستان ٹوٹتے دیکھا" باب۱۱، صفحہ ۳۰۶، سطور ۱۵ تا ۱۶ آپ کی مدد کے لیے میں ممنون ہوں۔ اسکندر
  4. MonsieurGonzalito

    Hindi, Urdu, Punjabi: do vocative participles exist?

    Friends, How would you say these 4 phrases Oh, burning heart! Oh, burning hearts! Oh, broken hope! Oh, broken hopes! in Hindustani and Punjabi? I am trying to learn if there is such a thing as a "vocative form of the participle", or some sort of circumlocution with -wala is used for these...
  5. F

    Urdu, Punjabi: clan

    Hi, Is there a particular word for "clan" in the Punjab area, meaning family in the broad sense of it (maybe with related by ancestry)? Roman alphabet. Thanks
  6. MonsieurGonzalito

    Punjabi: pher, naa spelling in Shahmukhi

    I have repeatedly seen educated Punjabi speakers writing in Shahmukhi the words pher ....... noun: turn, adverb: later, conjunction: therefore ........ ਫੇਰ naa ........ adverb: no .................................................................. ਨਾ as فیر and نہ, respectively My understanding...
  7. MonsieurGonzalito

    Punjabi, Hindi, Urdu: "you" levels

    According to my little Punjabi grammar book, the degrees for the "you" pronoun in Punjabi are: ਤੂੰ ......... tūN ........... توں ........... informal ਤੁਸੀਂ ......tusiiN......... تُسیں ......... formal In principle, there are only these 2 degrees of respect/familiarity. ਆਪ / aap / آپ (which in...
  8. MonsieurGonzalito

    Punjabi: infinitive used in a future sense?

    The song "Naa Jaa" is about a bachelor pleading his love to a woman of unclear marital status, but who is not appreciated sufficiently at home. At some point, he is proposing her to elope with him, (or so I think) and he says "If you say no, I won't ask again". What puzzles me, is that the word...
  9. MonsieurGonzalito

    Punjabi: spelling of slangy, abridged honaa forms

    Lately, I have been listening to modern, quite colloquial songs in Punjabi, such as "Naa Jaa" or "Lamborghini". I noticed that in the present / imperfective, these songs very often drop the characteristic "d" sound of the present participle, and also the "h" sound of the main conjugated honaa...
  10. MonsieurGonzalito

    Punjabi: meraa thiiN gaiooN haal biimaaraaN

    This is the last verse of a song I asked about before, "UmraaN laghghiiaaN". Punjabi: flying crows It is about a female lover, increasingly upset because her beloved doesn't show up. She is "shooing crows" (which typically announce a guest), she is seeing all black, and she begs the rainclouds...
  11. P

    Punjabi: ਦੇਖਣਾ vs ਵੇਖਣ

    Is there a difference in meaning between ਦੇਖਣਾ vs ਵੇਖਣ? Punjabi Shabdkosh seems to suggest meanings closer to look/see. But I could be wrong. A cursory Google search didn't come up with anything. Any help appreciated.
  12. MonsieurGonzalito

    Punjabi: flying crows

    Is "to fly a crow, to fly crows" an idiom in Punjabi? I imagine, releasing that bird and trusting its instincts to find one's bearings because, apparently, crows are good at detecting landmasses in the sea, cities in the jungle, etc. Could it mean being utterly disoriented, making (futile)...
  13. MonsieurGonzalito

    Punjabi: ਡਾਢਾ ڈاڈھا

    This word is from the song "Aaya Laariye", in the verse ਤੇਰੇ ਸਿਹਰੇ ਨੂੰ ਸਜਾਇਆ ਡਾਢਾ ਫੁੱਲ ਕਲੀਆਂ تیرے سہرے توں سجایا ڈاڈھا پھُلّ کلیاں The dictionary entries for ḍāḍhā as an adjective: "strong, mightly, solid, tight" also "strict, tending to use force, vicious" Some Punjabi speakers I spoke...
  14. MonsieurGonzalito

    Punjabi: ਹੋਵਣ ਕੋਲ / ہوون کول

    Friends, this is the last non-repeated stanza of the typical Punjabi bridal song "Aaya Laariye" My translation attempt differs too much from the "official" caption given in Coke Studio (4/9) Could someone who knows Punjabi please tell me how wrong I am? ਲੱਖਾਂ ਦੁਆਵਾਂ ਕਰ ਕੇ ਮਾਪੇ / ਮੰਗਦੇ ਏ ਰੱਬ ਤੋਂ...
  15. MonsieurGonzalito

    Punjabi: ਖਿੱਲ /کھلّھ / khillh

    I stumbled into a sentence of difficult translation, mostly because of the word "khillh" of the title. It is, again, in this song "Par Chenaab De", about folkloric lovers Sohni and Mahiwal. The general idea is that, despite difficulties, she should not be discouraged (when crossing the river to...
  16. MonsieurGonzalito

    Punjabi: ਕੱਚਿਆ ਤੇ ਰੱਖੀਏ / کچّیار تے کّھیے

    Please, I need help with this expression, which appears in the song "Paar Chenab de" (across the Chenab). The song is about folkloric lovers Sohni and Mahiwal, she can't swim, so she crosses the river with the help of the clay-pots she makes in order to meet Mahiwal. Someone cruelly replaces...
  17. A

    Punjabi: Etymology for lalkaar

    I found this word being used in old Punjabi films. A direct translation means "red work" so I'm not sure if it is rooted in Indo-Aryan vocabulary.
  18. MonsieurGonzalito

    Punjabi: ਦਿਸੇ /دسے

    The beautiful song "Paar Chanaa De", which narrates the story of tragic lovers Sohni and Mahiwal, starts with this verse: ਪਾਰ ਝਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਦਿਸੇ ਕੁੱਲੀ ਯਾਰ ਦੀ پار چناں دے دسے کلّی یار دی Across the Chenab, appears the hut of my lover Am I right to assume that dise is a "subjunctive" (aorist...
  19. A

    Punjabi: Etymology for Kande

    It can mean both "thorns" or "riverbank" depending on the usage, so I'm curious as to what its etymological root is. <Gulab de kande> <Nadi de kande>
  20. A

    Punjabi: Etymology of Soorma and Gabroo?

    What is the etymology of soorma (meaning young, not mascara) and gabroo?
  21. A

    All Indo-Iranian Languages: pickled vegetables

    Are there any other words that South Asians here use for achaar?
  22. D

    Punjabi, Hindi, Urdu: ardaas

    Ardaas is a common word used by Sikhs for their prayers. Is ardaas still used in any of the other meanings mentioned below by Platts? And is ardaas now believed to be most likely derived from the Persian 'arz-daasht "petition, request" (with 'arz being of Arabic origin), or is it instead...
  23. Anant25

    Punjabi: ਚੁੱਪ ਕਰਕੇ ਲੇਿਟਆ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ

    ਚੁੱਪ ਕਰਕੇ ਲੇਿਟਆ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ He would Remain lying down is not correct I know. It’s about a baby who wouldn’t cry even when hungry. What’s a better alternative translation?
  24. MonsieurGonzalito

    Hindi, Punjabi, Urdu: ruṭhiyaa / रुठिया / رُٹھیا

    The song Kamli (from the movie "Dhoom 3"), is largely in Hindustani, but with several Punjabi parts for effect. The 2 first recited verses go like this: maiṁ ruṭhiyaa yār manaavaaNgī - har cilman phuuNk jalaavaaNgī ... and the translation is something like: "I will persuade my...
  25. MonsieurGonzalito

    Punjabi: persuade my upset beloved ...

    Hello. I am listening to a well-known Hindi song, (Kamli, from the movie "Dhoom 3"), which is peppered with Punjabi terms for, effect. The 2 first recited verses go like this: maiṁ ruṭhiyaa yār manaavaaNgī / har cilman phuuNk jalaavaaNgī ... and the translation is something like: "I will...
  26. P

    Panjabi: flaanaa -thoNkaa

    Is the phrase flaanaa-thoNkaa used to mean 'and so on and so forth' or 'more '? Is it a slang version of something else? Actual spelling in Gurmukhi would be helpful.
  27. P

    Punjabi, Hindi, Urdu: He drinks - He is drinking

    Which of the following is correct? If neither is correct could someone suggest a corrected version? Is one more Panjabi and the other Hindi/Urdu influenced? Again apologies for any inaccuracies in transliteration. Dhanwaad. A. Oh paanii piindaa hai. -- Is this the more correct Panjabi...
  28. P

    Panjabi: Tūn/tusīn in Old Panjabi

    Is tusīn as the formal/singular form of tūn a recent occurrence? I have heard that it was originally only used for plural, not singular. Does anyone know if this is the case and if so, when the change occurred?
  29. A

    Urdu: Course

    I'm not sure if this has been asked yet, but what do you call a course? Specifically, an educational course. So far, the closest I could get is "مزمون," which I believe means either "article" or "subject." Examples: "One of my courses is English Honors?! But I qualified for AP!" "Which course...
  30. Q

    Hindi, Punjabi, Urdu: apple

    Friends, what word would you use for "apple" in your language/s? If you are suggesting one word, what other word or words would you use for "apple". Thank you in advance for your participation.
  31. I

    Punjabi, Urdu: باؤجی

    Friends, The current book I am reading is in Urdu but written by a Punjabi. Hence, there are many terms in it that are not mainstream Urdu but would make sense to a Punjabi speaker/Urdu speaker from Pakistan. One such is the term باؤجی which the author uses at the beginning of sentences when...
  32. Q

    Persian, Punjabi, Urdu: Pronunciation of xurshaid, sufaid, umaid

    These three words are no doubt of Persian origins but in the Urdu spoken in the Lucknow area and by Punjabi speakers they are pronounced in the manner indicated in the thread title. (xurshaid, sufaid, umaid)* My question is this. Were these words pronounced in this way in any part of the...
  33. T

    Hindi, Urdu, Punjabi: Nasal sounds

    I am an American that married into a Punjabi-speaking family. They spoke Urdu as well. I’m used to the syntax and am in the process of refining my pronounciation and expanding my vocabulary. In any case, I’m diving into formally learning Urdu/Hindi and possibly a bit of Punjabi on the side...
  34. Knowledge_Seeker

    Punjabi: koorh/kood di neeti/niti

    Hi Folks, I have heard a phrase 'koorh (or perhaps kood?) di neeti (or perhaps niti?) karan waley' in a Sikh video, and wonder what it means. My understanding is that it means 'people who spread falsehood (or it might be translated as 'a precept of falsehood'?)'. Could someone please clarify if...
  35. A

    Punjabi: ਤੁਸੀਂ ਹੋਂ in the feminine?

    I was just idly looking at Punjabi grammar on Wikipedia and, unfortunately, I couldn't find any paradigm for ਹੋਣਾ hōṇā ("to be"), so I decided to try and construct the paradigm myself from what I could find online. Using google, I eventually came across this image and I noticed the form ਤੁਸੀਂ...
  36. P

    All IIR Languages: Sanksritic v to b

    Perhaps this has been adressed before, but does anyone know why/how/when some sanskrit words with V in them started to become B in hindustani? Off the top of my head; veer --> beer, vikram --> bikram. Maybe this is not a hindustani thing but a dialect one. Thanks!
  37. S

    Urdu, Punjabi: LaunThaa / lauThaa

    Dear Foreros', the word above is used by Punjabi-phones for an individual who does next to nothing i.e. one heck of an idle fellow who quite often is overweight. Any idea as to what its origins are or the actual definition of the word. best, Sheikh
  38. Maharaj

    Punjabi: Kangna tera nee

    Hi, Kya aap is popular Punjabi song ki ye dou linein Hindi me likh kar unka arth bata sakte hain? Addiyan ton ki paiyan jhanjara laung mare lishkare Kagna tera ni sanu kare ishaare
  39. Maharaj

    Punjabi: Jisko papa ka aashirwaad mila usko moksh mil gaya

    Hi, I've just started learning Punjabi, I'm having difficulty speaking this in Punjabi: Jisko papa ka aashirwaad mila usko moksh mil gaya.
  40. D

    Urdu, Punjabi, Hindi: rab(b)

    In your experience is rab(b)/rabbaa "God" used equally by people of all religious backgrounds in these three languages, or is it relatively more commonly used by Muslims since it's of Arabic origin? Thanks
  41. D

    Punjabi: thai fajme

    A phrase, or rather a couple of words, was spoken in Punjabi and I had no idea what it meant. The whole sentence was - "Meh je Roos ussi gay koi sau panja bande thai fajme uhna dethe aunde sade udar jande." My understanding of that is " We went to Russia, about five hundred men thai fajme...
  42. P

    Punjabi: Chalay nal singh ni onthay

    I'm a teaching assistant for an undergraduate class which requires students to collect items of folk speech or folk practice from their friends and classmates. When an item of folk speech comes from a language usually written in a script other than Latin, the student is supposed to present both...
  43. D

    Punjabi: Difference between Tuhanu and Tenu

    Most people tell me these vocabs are interchangeable and both are the object like apko in urdu/hindi. It sounds right when I say Tenu ki pata but I feel weird if I said Tuhanu ki pata. The only example I know to use tuhanu is in the sentence I forgot about you :"Tuhanu mai pooley gey". Maybe it...
  44. D

    Punjabi: Difference between ho/kar sakna vs ho/kar sakda

    I'm pretty sure they mean the same thing (can) but I don't know when to use one or the other. For instance if I wanted to say in punjabi can i help you I would say: Kya mai tuardi madat kar sakna va or if I wanted to say Can you help me I could say in punjabi: Ki toon meri madat kar sakna vei...
  45. M

    Urdu, Hindi, Punjabi: -daan دان- -दान -ਦਾਨ -triple suffix

    Hi, so far I can say that there are three (!) different suffixes -daan. This is quite a thing. 1) -daan as in bhuudaan भूदान بھودان - coming from a Sanskrit noun 'daana-' meaning 'offering, gift'. 2) -daan as in 3itr-daan ऎत्र (इतर)-दान عطردان meaning a receptacle; 3) -daan like the suffix of...
  46. K

    Punjabi: Tones of Punjabi dialects

    hey!!Can anyone tell that how can we differentiate different dialects of Punjabi on the basis of their tones?
  47. ourtimeisshort

    Punjabi/Hindi: London thumakda

    I came across a song called "London thumakda" and, judging by the words and word forms used in the song, it is at least partially Punjabi. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find the verb "thumakna" in Punjabi-English dictionaries online - mostly because I haven't mastered the Punjabi script yet...
  48. S

    Punjabi: naiyo

    Hello everyone. In lots of Punjabi songs I've heard the word "naiyo", which seems to have the same meaning as "nahin". At first I thought it was just "nahin" + "oh", but in Punjabi song lyrics on the internet they tend to transcribe it as "naiyo" (yes, ad-hoc Latinisation for song lyrics isn't...
  49. S

    Urdabi: Xaak variant kak or kakh?

    Dear Foreros, During conversations with punjabis or in punjabi households the state of complete ignorance and knowing xaak is referred to as either kakh ککہ or kak کک . I would highly appreciate it if someone could come forward and state which one it in actuality happens to be. "FalaaN/FulaaN...
  50. S

    Urdabi: "O laal nii" in meraa piiyaa ghar aayaa

    Dear Foreros, In the ghazal meraa piiyaa ghar aayaa o Laal nii, how would you translate "Laal nii?" Piiyaa ghar aayaa manifestly stands for my beloved has come home, now Laal is also used for a beloved primarily one's son/offspring but in this case who is being reffered to in the Laal nii bit...