מכנסי דגמ"ח בצבע ירוק זית עם כיסים בצדדים

[cfu507]

Hi, could you help me translating this sentence? I can't find the English word for dagmach, and by the way, what the acronym means in Hebrew?

Please write me the whole sentence. Thanks guys.

 

[Mjolnir]

I think it's cargo pants.
Olive green cargo pants with side pockets.

דגמ"ח - דגם חדש.
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[Mjolnir]

Another name is "combat trousers".

 

[Ali Smith]

What's the point of adding tseva' before the name of a color? Why not just say מכנסי דגמ"ח ירוק זית עם כיסים בצדדים?

And if someone insists on using it, will it be in the construct state? I mean, how will it be pronounced?

 

[Drink]

If the color were just regular "green", then if you omit בצבע, you'd have to say ירוקים, because מכנסיים is masculine plural. But that's impossible with "olive green", because ירוק זית is not really adjective. So you have to say בצבע ירוק זית. Even with just plain "green", it's clearer to say בצבע ירוק.

 

[elroy]

Even with just plain "green", it's clearer to say בצבע ירוק.

How so?

will it be in the construct state?

No. It’s a noun + adjective construction.

how will it be pronounced?

No change in pronunciation.

 

[Drink]

How so?

It's a good question. I don't know exactly why, but I just strongly feel that that's the case.

No. It’s a noun + adjective construction.

I think he might have been asking about the word ירוק in "ירוק זית". I'm actually not sure about the answer, which is why I didn't address this myself. I think whether ירוק is a construct depends on how you interpret it.

Regardless, in the colloquial pronunciation no one would think to pronounce it as "yerok".

 

[elroy]

I think he might have been asking about the word ירוק in "ירוק זית"

I think this one is clearly a construct state. I don’t see how else it could be analyzed.

 

[Abaye]

The Academia recommends:
שמות צבעים המורכבים משם צבע ומשם המאפיין את הצבע יבואו בדרך של שם ותוארו, כגון יָרֹק־הֲדַסִּי (ולא יָרֹק־הֲדַס), אָפֹר־פְּלָדִי (ולא אָפֹר־פְּלָדָה).

In practice we say it like אדום אדמה, ירוק זית, etc., not a construct state (think of it as "אדום כמו אדמה"), and often add the word צבע in front, idiomatically or for whatever reason.

 

[elroy]

In practice we say it like אדום אדמה, ירוק זית, etc., not a construct state (think of it as "אדום כמו אדמה")

Why do you say this is not a construct state? For me your rewrite is not incompatible with a construct state.

Although.... I guess the feminine would be ירוקה זית, and not ירוקת זית — which would definitively refute the construct state analysis!

 

[Abaye]

Feminine form is seldom used, maybe because צבע lurks there, explicit or implicit. חולצה ירוק-זית or חולצה בצבע ירוק-זית sound good, חולצה ירוקה-זית is not natural, neither is חולצות ירוקות-מטע-זיתים (kidding, no offence).

 

[elroy]

Ah, so the jury’s still out as to whether it’s a construct state!

Also, any thoughts on this?

Even with just plain "green", it's clearer to say בצבע ירוק.