ج - جيم pronunciation

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cherine

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Arabic (Egypt).
Yes, not all Arab countries pronunce and use MSA the exact same way.

But this was mentioned in another thread, so please try to look up that previous discussion, as this thread is dedicated to the letter جيم.
 
  • philosophastry

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    I read that the standard (MSA or Classical Arabic) way is the English J but many dialects use the French J and also pronounce the MSA that way.
    I just came across a thread that describes how the Persians added a letter to the Arabic alphabet in order to represent the French j. If ج were pronounced like the French j, they would not have needed to invent the letter ژ. I think it's rather clear that it's only quite recently that some Arabs started pronouncing ج that way. Furthermore, the books of grammar clearly state that the definite article does not assimilate into ج. If it were a fricative like the French j, it would behave like the other fricatives in the Arabic language, e.g. ش and س.
     

    Awwal12

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    I think it's rather clear that it's only quite recently that some Arabs started pronouncing ج that way.
    Even the affricate wasn't really common back in the 7th century (although it was already present in the Hejazi dialect, thus becoming a part of Quranic and, ultimately, standard Arabic pronunciation). Many early Persian loanwords from Arabic reflect simply [g] (as in "go"). Of course, [ʒ] must be originating from [dʒ].
    If it were a fricative like the French j, it would behave like the other fricatives in the Arabic language, e.g. ش and س.
    As a matter of fact, in many dialects (but not in MSA) /j/ does behave as a sun consonant, assimilating the /l/ of the article. And, of course, it's not about the manner of articulation (say, both /s/ and /f/ are fricatives) but rather about the active place of articulation (coronal vs. non-coronal consonants); actually /j/ is the only coronal moon consonant of MSA, which reflects its velar past).
     
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