囗强民弱

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NewAmerica

Banned
Mandarin
“民弱"何译? Weak people or poor people?

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民弱囗强,囗强民弱,有道之囗,务在弱民。

——《商子·弱民篇》
 
  • Skatinginbc

    Senior Member
    Mandarin 國語
    Big government, small citizen 囗强民弱 (the bigger the government, the smaller the citizen. 國强則民弱)
     
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    NewAmerica

    Banned
    Mandarin
    Small citizen is perhaps highly misleading, for citizen refers to a person.

    My suggestion:

    Strong government, weak citizenship.
     

    Skatinginbc

    Senior Member
    Mandarin 國語
    主張「弱民以強國」 是基於 “national collectivism“, 站在犧牲小我完成大我的立場。主張「弱國以強民」 是基於 “individualism“, 以個人自由、 權利、 利益為重。
    Small citizen is perhaps highly misleading, for citizen refers to a person.
    Big government, small citizen" 見於 United States Congressional Record. 你在美國沒看過 the bigger the government the smaller the citizen 的 bumper sticker 嗎?
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    Strong government, weak citizenship.
    直譯: The stronger (强) the state (國) , the weaker (弱) the citizen (民) .
     
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    Jack12345

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    Chinese
    自由、 權利、 利益為重
    这个内涵比较好。
    弱民,是法家思想(见《商君书》)。法家的弱民思想从顺从法制,不富裕,地位低等几个方面讲了弱民与强国之间的关系。和“自由,权力,利益”的内涵有些接近。
     

    NewAmerica

    Banned
    Mandarin
    主張「弱民以強國」 是基於 “national collectivism“, 站在犧牲小我完成大我的立場。主張「弱國以強民」 是基於 “individualism“, 以個人自由、 權利、 利益為重。

    Big government, small citizen" 見於 United States Congressional Record. 你在美國沒看過 the bigger the government the smaller the citizen 的 bumper sticker 嗎?
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    直譯: The stronger (强) the state (國) , the weaker (弱) the citizen (民) .
    Good point! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
     

    brofeelgood

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    English, 中文
    A strong-minded government is only possible with a weak-minded population. When we talk about collectivism, fascist regimes like China and Singapore easily come to mind.
     
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