A farm where ...

[vatrahos]

Şu cümleyi Türkçe olarak yazmak istiyorum:

"Ahmet and his family live on a farm where they raise animals and grow vegetables."


"Ahmet ve ailesi hayvanlar besleyip sebzeler yetiştirdikleri bir çiftlikte yaşıyorlar."

bu doğru mu?

 

[Revontuli]

Merhaba,

Cümlen doğru. Sadece bir şey hatırlatmak istiyorum:

Ahmet ve ailesi havyan besleyip sebze yetiştirdikleri bir çiftlikte yaşıyorlar.

Bu iki isim bu cümlede "topluluk adı/collective nouns" oldukları için çoğul kullanmaya gerek yok.

Revontuli

 

[sunsail]

Hi,

"Ahmet and his family live on a farm where they raise animals and grow vegetables"

why not "in a farm"? if you say "on a farm" donot you say something above a farm something?

Thanks

Şu cümleyi Türkçe olarak yazmak istiyorum:

"Ahmet and his family live on a farm where they raise animals and grow vegetables."


"Ahmet ve ailesi hayvanlar besleyip sebzeler yetiştirdikleri bir çiftlikte yaşıyorlar."

bu doğru mu?

 

[vatrahos]

why not "in a farm"? if you say "on a farm" donot you say something above a farm something?

Good question. I think that we say "on a farm" and not "in a farm" because we are talking about a kind of housing that is pretty open (There are lots of open spaces on a farm, so we say "on" rather than "in").

We do however say "He lives in an apartment," because an apartment is an enclosed space.

So, let me try to summarize:


live in - we say this with:
- closed living spaces ["he lives in a big house"]
- cities ["he lives in Mexico City"]
- states ["he lives in Virginia"]
- countries ["he lives in Russia"]
- continents ["he lives in Europe"]
- ecological zones [ "he lives in the desert / the woods / the mountains"]*

*one exception to ecological zones is water. Words such as lake, river or sea will take the word "on": "he lives on a lake." This does not mean that he lives "on top" of the water, but rather that he lives very near to it.


live on - we say this with:
- open living spaces ["he lives on a farm / a military base"]
- streets ["he lives on Third Street / Lexington Avenue / Highway 90"]

live at - we say this only if there is a possessive or modifying noun in front of the type of housing ["he lives at ... his uncle's place / a homeless shelter"]

I hope this helps you. Let me know if you have any further questions.

 

[sunsail]

Thanks
here it says "in" for the streets,is it britain/american english difference?


"http://www.world-english.org/prepositions.htm"
in + streets, roads, avenues: Moniuszki, Fish Street etc.. e.g. in Stratford Avenue.

Good question. I think that we say "on a farm" and not "in a farm" because we are talking about a kind of housing that is pretty open (There are lots of open spaces on a farm, so we say "on" rather than "in").

We do however say "He lives in an apartment," because an apartment is an enclosed space.

So, let me try to summarize:


live in - we say this with:
- closed living spaces ["he lives in a big house"]
- cities ["he lives in Mexico City"]
- states ["he lives in Virginia"]
- countries ["he lives in Russia"]
- continents ["he lives in Europe"]
- ecological zones [ "he lives in the desert / the woods / the mountains"]*

*one exception to ecological zones is water. Words such as lake, river or sea will take the word "on": "he lives on a lake." This does not mean that he lives "on top" of the water, but rather that he lives very near to it.


live on - we say this with:
- open living spaces ["he lives on a farm / a military base"]
- streets ["he lives on Third Street / Lexington Avenue / Highway 90"]

live at - we say this only if there is a possessive or modifying noun in front of the type of housing ["he lives at ... his uncle's place / a homeless shelter"]

I hope this helps you. Let me know if you have any further questions.

 

[acemi]

The general rules are basically as described by Vatrahos. English is a language with many variations from rules.

Turkish '-de'/'-da' is translated to English as a preposition of place:
in - used when the thing surrounds or encloses
on - used for the thing is a surface
at - used for a particular point

Variations in use can occur depending on perspective. So, consider that a street can be something that surrounds you or a surface on the earth, for example.

a general street name
I live in Main street.
I live on Main street.
I live at Main street.

a particular point in/on the street
I live in 24 Main street
I live on 24 Main street.
I live at 24 Main street.

I guess we never feel enclosed by a farm