add <the> buckle

Phoebe1200

Senior Member
Russian-Russia
Henry Danger, TV series

Jasper: I'm taking a belt making class. (pulls a belt out of his backpack and pointing at the missing pieces says) All I have left to do is punch the holes and add the buckle.
Henry: Wow! You know, I bet Charlotte would love a new handmade belt.
Charlotte: And you'd lose that bet.

Did he use the definite article because he's referring to the place on the belt that's a buckle is going to go on?
 
  • Phoebe1200

    Senior Member
    Russian-Russia
    Thank you.:)

    Could he have used the indefinite article as well?


    Jasper
    : I'm taking a belt making class. (pulls a belt out of his backpack and pointing at the missing pieces says) All I have left to do is punch the holes and add a buckle.
     

    Andygc

    Senior Member
    British English
    Yes, but the idiomatic usage is "the" because it's a specific belt. However, I don't doubt that many English speakers would say "a".
     

    Andygc

    Senior Member
    British English
    The difference is in how the person speaking chooses to say it. It's easy to over-analyse this, and equally easy to waste time by doing so.
     
    Right.:) But I wanted to understand the difference between "a" and "the" used in the OP.
    If we really want to find a difference between "the" and "a", we could maybe consider this:
    As a belt is expected to have a buckle and only one buckle, it is natural to say "to add the buckle", but "to add a buckle" is perfectly grammatical.
    On the contrary it is natural to say "to add a cap bow to the hat" because a hat can have one bow, more than one, or none. But I could very well say "I'm going to add the bow to the hat" if my hat has one bow in my mind.
    As you can see the difference, if any, is extremely blurry.
     

    VicNicSor

    Banned
    Russian
    My take on that was slightly different:)

    Jasper has a belt from his backpack. He wants it to be a (waist) belt. So he needs two specific things that his backpack belt is lacking: the holes and the buckle. Those two are what the typical belt needs.
    But, of course, it could have been "holes" and "a buckle", too.
     

    Glasguensis

    Signal Modulation
    English - Scotland
    I agree with Vic - the difference in perspective is that "the" refers to the specific buckle that this belt will have, whereas "a" refers to one of many possible buckles which it would be possible to attach. Both are possible, and it really depends on which of these two perspectives the speaker has at the moment of speaking.
     

    JulianStuart

    Senior Member
    English (UK then US)
    I agree with Vic - the difference in perspective is that "the" refers to the specific buckle that this belt will have, whereas "a" refers to one of many possible buckles which it would be possible to attach. Both are possible, and it really depends on which of these two perspectives the speaker has at the moment of speaking.
    :thumbsup:
    A buckle
    will be selected from the array of possibilities and after that selection has been made, it is instantly transformed into the buckle on this belt:)
     

    Phoebe1200

    Senior Member
    Russian-Russia
    My warmest thanks for all your answers.:)

    Just one thing.
    Jasper has a belt from his backpack. He wants it to be a (waist) belt. So he needs two specific things that his backpack belt is lacking
    Sorry, but why did you call it a "backpack belt"? :)
     
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    Glasguensis

    Signal Modulation
    English - Scotland
    Vic simply misread or misinterpreted the sentence. The belt was simply in his backpack, not part of his backpack. If it had been part of his backpack we could use backpack as an adjective.
     
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