All Slavic Languages: black vs. brown rat (Rattus rattus vs. R. norvegicus)

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  1. Encolpius

    Encolpius Senior Member

    Praha (Prague)
    magyar (Hungarian)
    Hello, I wonder if all Slavic languages know 2 different words for the brown rat and black rat just like Czech and Slovak. Thanks.

    Rattus rattus = black rat = krysa
    Rattus norvegicus = brown rat (the most common rat) = potkan

    Mod note:
    see also this thread about different words for Rattus norvegicus.
    Last edited by a moderator: May 15, 2010
  2. TriglavNationalPark

    TriglavNationalPark Senior Member

    Chicago, IL, U.S.A.
    Slovenian (a.k.a. Slovene)

    podgana = rat

    (when a distinction needs to be made: črna podgana = rattus rattus; rjava podgana, siva podgana = rattus norvegicus)
  3. iobyo Senior Member

    Bitola, Macedonia

    Rattus rattus: патнички стаорец ("wayfaring rat") or црн стаорец ("black rat")
    Rattus norvegicus: сив стаорец ("grey rat") or норвешки стаорец ("Norwegian rat")

    There are a few other more colloquial terms used, these are just the main ones.
  4. Orlin Banned

    Rattus rattus=черен плъх ("black rat");
    Rattus norvegicus=сив плъх ("grey rat").
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2010
  5. indiegrl Member

    Romanian & Russian

    Rat =Крыса (krysa)
    rattus rattus=корабельная крыса/Черная крыса .
    rattus norvegicus = пасюк/cерая крыса
  6. werrr Senior Member

    Both the words are relatively new loans. These animals were called myš (veliká m., hnědá m., německá/polská m.) or ščúr in Old Czech.

    The origin of potkan goes like this:

    (? Latin Ponticus →) North Italian pantegàna/pategàna/pantegàn → Slovenian podgana (padgana ?) → Hungarian patkány → Slovak potkan → Moravian dialects → Czech scientific taxonomy

    Krysa is 19th century loan from Russian.
  7. TriglavNationalPark

    TriglavNationalPark Senior Member

    Chicago, IL, U.S.A.
    Slovenian (a.k.a. Slovene)
  8. Azori

    Azori Senior Member

    In Slovak rattus rattus is known as potkan tmavý/čierny or krysa and rattus norvegicus as potkan obyčajný/hnedý.
  9. Awwal12

    Awwal12 Senior Member

    Moscow, the RF
    ...->Slovak potkan -> Ukrinian "пацюк" (a rat) -> Russian "пасюк" (a brown rat), I suppose? :)
  10. marco_2 Senior Member

    In Polish:

    szczur śniady - (Rattus rattus) = black rat

    szczur wędrowny - (Rattus norvegicus) = brown rat
  11. Encolpius

    Encolpius Senior Member

    Praha (Prague)
    magyar (Hungarian)
    BCS > my attempt

    1 word for two types > štakor (HRT), pacov (SRP)
  12. swintok Senior Member

    English - Canada
    In Ukrainian there are two generic words for rat, щур and пацюк, that are used interchangeably.

    Rattus rattus: чорний щур (пачюк), азійський чорний щур, корабельний щур
    Rattus norvegicus: мандрівний щур, сірий щур
  13. swintok Senior Member

    English - Canada

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