All Slavic languages: Jagoda, jahoda, strawberry, blueberry
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Jagoda said:Jagoda = Blueberry
Hahahha.... You see? This is what I meant... Same word two different meanings...
Jagoda
In Serbian =Strawberry
In Polish = Blueberry
It is much more possible to make confusion with two similar languages than with two different ones...
Jagoda said:Jagoda = Blueberry
Really? Now I am bit confused because in my computer dictionary it is said
- strawberry (jahoda)- truskawka, jagoda, poziomka leśna
- strawberry (adjective, jahodový)-truskawkowi, poziomkowy
- jahôdka, jahůdka (little strawberry? or maybe sort of apple?)-jagódka
- blueberry (čučoriedka) - czarna jagoda (čierna jahoda?), czernica, (černica?), borówka (borůvka?), jagoda
So, I guess that basically truskawka=strawberry, jagoda=blueberry, but what does it mean jagódka, and why there is also jagoda for strawberry?
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Suane said:Really? Now I am bit confused because in my computer dictionary it is said
- strawberry (jahoda)- truskawka
jagoda
poziomka leśna
- strawberry (adjective, jahodový)-truskawkowi
poziomkowy
- jahôdka, jahůdka (little strawberry? or maybe sort of apple?)-jagódka
- blueberry (čučoriedka) - czarna jagoda (čierna jahoda?)
czernica (černica?)
borówka (borůvka?)
jagoda
So, I guess that basically truskawka=strawberry, jagoda=blueberry, but what does it mean jagódka, and why there is also jagoda for strawberry?
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"Borówka" reminds me a lot of "borovnica" which is blueberry in Serbian...
Jagódka is diminutive for jagoda, which means "blueberry".
As well, fruits such as strawberries, blueberries, gooseberries, currents, etc. are classified as "berries" in botanical termes. "Berries" in Polish is "jagody". That is why you have jagoda under the word strawberry - they have first given you the direct translation into Polish (truskawka) and then the group to which it belongs, the group of berries (jagoda).
As well, fruits such as strawberries, blueberries, gooseberries, currents, etc. are classified as "berries" in botanical termes. "Berries" in Polish is "jagody". That is why you have jagoda under the word strawberry - they have first given you the direct translation into Polish (truskawka) and then the group to which it belongs, the group of berries (jagoda).
Jagoda said:
Thank you! Now I understand. I really don't know, how that can happen, that the same word in one slavic language means something else in another one. I wish I could know how did the process of naming things work in the past.
And it's interesting:
Strawberry is jahoda in Slovak, in Czech, something similar in Serbian, but it is said a bit different way in Polish. Maybe we can give this question to the topic Similar words and find out how it is said in another slavic languages.
In Russian ягода /jagoda/ is a berry - as a generic term. The plural is ягоды /jagody/. It's similar to the Polish word with the same meaning but the stress is on the first syllable, whereas in Polish it's surely on the second.
And naturally, I was sure I understood the meaning of the nickname and it would never occur to me that it could mean strawberry or blueberry!
My question to Polish native speakers: doesn't it lead to confusion when one and the same word stands for blueberry and any berry at all?
By the way, in my mind this word is associated not only with berries. Genrikh Jagoda (Yagoda) was Stalin's secret police chief during the great purges of 1936-38. Sorry, that wasn't a particularly pleasant association.
And naturally, I was sure I understood the meaning of the nickname and it would never occur to me that it could mean strawberry or blueberry!
My question to Polish native speakers: doesn't it lead to confusion when one and the same word stands for blueberry and any berry at all?
By the way, in my mind this word is associated not only with berries. Genrikh Jagoda (Yagoda) was Stalin's secret police chief during the great purges of 1936-38. Sorry, that wasn't a particularly pleasant association.
cyanista said:
No, not at all. Usually we use jagoda for blueberry, and owoce jagodowe (owoce=fruits) for berries in general.
Jagoda is also a female name
And, as I wrote owoce, one more thing comes to my mind. In polish owoce means fruits, but овочі (ukrainian) = овощи (russian) = vegetables, and it souds very similar to owoce...it's quite confusing
Aga ...and "Jagoda" also is lastname of Stalin's Gestapo commander
At least something works! I don't know anyone called Jahoda (strawberry) but there certainly are people called Borůvka (blueberry).Marijka said:No, not at all. Usually we use jagoda for blueberry, and owoce jagodowe (owoce=fruits) for berries in general.
Jagoda is also a female name
Jana
A!A! You remind to me that a chief of Stalin's police has been Jagoda.
I didn't find him in Google, but: Flory Jagoda, artist USA, Jagoda Strukelj, a dancer,Jagoda Potokar a journalist and so on.
In accessgenealogy.com there are 51 Jagoda.
We never know!
I didn't find him in Google, but: Flory Jagoda, artist USA, Jagoda Strukelj, a dancer,Jagoda Potokar a journalist and so on.
In accessgenealogy.com there are 51 Jagoda.
We never know!
Well, if you know that you should apply the English pronunciation for the latter, yes.cyanista said:
Slavic people ignorant of English would undoubtedly read Yagoda like ыагода. All in all, we have no reason not to use our phonetic transcription. Diphthongs and jers aside, a one-to-one correspondence between Russian and other Slavic languages can be achieved. Why would we write Yeltsin/Brezhnev/Ilyich when Jelcin/Brežněv/Iljič do the job much better?
Jana
If I saw "Yeltsin", no doubt, I wouldn't know who is being talked about. Aren't there any international transcription rules?? I found that quite difficult and confusing, when I was writing my essay. I had serious problem with bibliography, I wrote it in cyrillic at last, but it was really tricky. Same problem, when you're searching library index.Jana337 said:
A good way to deal with this is to find Jelcin in Wikipedia in Polish (where you are sure about the transcription) and then to click on whichever language version you wish.Marijka said:
But this is quite off-topic. Please open a new thread if you have any comments or questions about transcription.
Jana
In Serbian we have several fruit-names:
Jagoda (strawberry), Višnja (sour cherry), Dunja (quince) and Nerandža (a variation of Narandža/Pomorandža (orange) - but rare and old-fashioned; I happen to know 2 persons with such a name but there are many who never heard of it).
Maybe there are more, but these are all I can think of now...
Jagoda (strawberry), Višnja (sour cherry), Dunja (quince) and Nerandža (a variation of Narandža/Pomorandža (orange) - but rare and old-fashioned; I happen to know 2 persons with such a name but there are many who never heard of it).
Maybe there are more, but these are all I can think of now...