Cracker Jack said:
Hago la aclaración para que no la confundamos sin querer hablándole de licenciaturas o de grados académicos que no sean a nivel universitario. Limitemos nuestras respuestas a los grados universitarios en los Estados Unidos.kate said:
Ojo con lo de bachillerato, en algunos paises bachillerato es el último año de educación secundaria (high school), en la universidad, bachiller o grado de bachiller es el diploma que se obtiene al terminar la carrera, sin ostentar el título profesional. Uno puede ser "Bachiller en Administración", pero aún no es "Licenciado en Administración", o "Bachiller en Ingeniería", pero no "Ingeniero"kate said:
¡No es la verdad entre Estados Unidos y México. Un "Bachelor's degree" y "un Licenciado" son iguales.Kevyn_Arnold said:
saludos.mazbook said:
Cracker Jack said:
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!!! ! con tu perfecto español (cada vez escribes mejor )
This isn't entirely true, fenixpollo. Only in the U.S.(I'm pretty certain), and then only in the fields of law (abogado), medicine (médico) and dentistry (dentista) must you have a BA (bachelor of arts) or BS (bachelor of science) degree in SOME field BEFORE attending the graduate schools of law, medicine or dentistry. In all other fields that I know of, the bachelor's degree in that field gives you the "license" to practice in that field. In the cases of law, medicine and dentisty, since there is no bachelor's degree in those fields in the U.S, naturally a bachelor's degree is not the equivalent of a licenciatura because there is NO bachelor's degree available in those fields.fenixpollo said:El problema de traducir "Licenciatura" como "Bachelor's degree" es que normalmente la "licencia" no acompaña el título de "Bachelor". Si uno quiere ser doctor, puede estudiar cualquier ciencia y graduarse con un Bachelor of Science degree. Luego, hay que astistir a la escuela de medicina y hacer todas las prácticas para recibir el título de doctor, médico, dentista, psiquiatra, etc...
Por ejemplo, mi hermano el cardiólogo se especializó en la ingeniería. Pero su área de estudios durante la universidad era "Pre-Med". Tomaba clases de anatomía, biología y otras, aparte de sus clases de cálculo y de ingeniería, para prepararse para la escuela de medicina. Se graduó con una Bachelor's of Science in Engineering, pero no tenía ningún título de doctor -- lo cual consiguió después de 8 anos más de prácticas.
Espero que te ayude a entender la diferencia entre Licenciatura y Bachelor's degree.
Saludos.
mazbook said:Hola fenixpollo,This isn't entirely true, fenixpollo. Only in the U.S.(I'm pretty certain), and then only in the fields of law (abogado), medicine (médico) and dentistry (dentista) must you have a BA (bachelor of arts) or BS (bachelor of science) degree in SOME field BEFORE attending the graduate schools of law, medicine or dentistry. In all other fields that I know of, the bachelor's degree in that field gives you the "license" to practice in that field. In the cases of law, medicine and dentisty, since there is no bachelor's degree in those fields in the U.S, naturally a bachelor's degree is not the equivalent of a licenciatura because there is NO bachelor's degree available in those fields.
In all other fields, a bachelor's degree gives you the right to practice that field. A bachelor of science in engineering can practice as an engineer (ingeniero) as soon as he has the degree. He does not have to have any additional years of education or practical experience. The same is true for all other fields in which a bachelor's degree is granted. Your brother, the cardiologist, could have immediately begun working as an engineer when he received his bachelor of science in engineering. He chose not to and then went to medical school to get his graduate degree of doctor of medicine. He could then have immediately begun practicing as a doctor (médico), but he chose to go on to post-graduate studies to become a specialist, in this case a cardiologist.
This was a course of education unique to the U.S. (I believe). I don't think that these sorts of well-defined (in the U.S.) steps are considered the norm in most other countries.
Discúlpeme, pero mi español no fue suficiente para este explicación.
Saludos desde Mazatlán
What I meant was that there are no bachelor's degrees granted in "pre-law", "pre-med" or "pre-dentistry". You do have to have your bachelor's degree in some field and you have to have studied certain courses that you need to qualify for those professional schools, but your degree could be in engineering, music, literature, languages or whatever. I just didn't go into the detail of each professional line of endeavor.fenixpollo said:
I said in the thread above that Licenciature is equivalent to Bachelor's, and that the fact that the Bachelor's doesn't grant a formal "license" is immaterial. (anyway, that was the gist of my posts).mazbook said:
Also, sorry for my misunderstanding of the "immaterial" gist of your post. Sometimes my Spanish lets me down, although usually I read and understand a lot better than I can express myself.Please note, mazbook, that swift precision was responding to you, and you to her -- not me.
When I responded to Eugin today, I was only talking about her question about dentists and orthodontists. Notice my example was about a cardiologist, not an engineer or even a lawyer.
I agree with you that a Bachelor's degree in a non-medical field is essentially the same as a Licenciatura. I agree with swift precision, however, in her? precision with the terminology.
Saludos.
Correct.
The problem is that "bachillerato" doesn't mean the same in all countries. Bachelor is not the same as what we call "bachillerato" in Spain.
Sí, lo que describen es una licenciatura en derecho; el título después de la licenciatura es la maestría (Master's degree).
Desafortunadamente, esta pregunta está fuera del ámbito del foro del diccionario. Solamente nos prestamos para traducir palabras y frases cortas. Recomiendo que visites el sitio del estado de Texas para informarte acerca de ese examen.
