BCS (Šatrovački slang): Stipu Gatibo

[Tassos]

Found it in two songs (again!!).

In the first (by Vatreni Poljubac) the lyric goes
Mojne meni to, mace maleno, mojne meni to, stipu gatibo.

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in the other (by Bijelo Dugme), Mr. Bregović himself says
stipu, stara, gatibo, mene to ne leži (I think all this lyric is slang)

I understand the expression means "come on, let it go!", "leave it alone" or something like that.
But what the two words of the expression mean by themselves???
I haven't found anything on either stipu (checked for stipa, stipo, a verb with stipu as 3rd present plural, nothing) or gatibo. Are they found anywhere else in the language, or only in this expression ??
Anyway, is this expression still in use today and is it considered offensive?

Thanx again.

 

[Duya]

Hint: try playing with the order of syllables .It's called šatrovački; I believe the technique is present in slangs of many languages.

 

[DenisBiH]

Another hint - Duya's hint is valid for Mojne as well.

And to answer the other part of your question, yes, it's still used today, and no, it's not offensive, but it is very slangy/colloquial.

 

[VelikiMag]

I understand the expression means "come on, let it go!", "leave it alone" or something like that.
But what the two words of the expression mean by themselves???

I'm wondering how did you get the meaning if you don't have a clue what these words are?

 

[Tassos]

I am a phychic
(in fact I found it in the translation of "Pediculis pubis" right here
http://lyricstranslate.com/en/pedic...-corba-pediculis-pubis-duet-riblja-corba.html)

So is it "pusti bogati" ???

To tell the truth, I was about to ask you about mojne later ...

My book says that this "technique" is used often in colloquial Croatian and Bosnian and includes "words" like:
vozdra (zdravo)
žemka (kažem) (B - Sarajevo)
đido (dođi) (B- Sarajevo)
žibje (bježi) (B - Sarajevo)
lima (mali) (C - Zagreb)
cobra (braco) (C - Zagreb)
In fact the Croatian translation of the classic cartoon phrase "What's up doc?" is "Kaj te muči Njofra?".

Anyway, in Greek we don't use it, but in French for example there is a whole "language" built in that way called "verlan" (from "a l'envers" which means, of course, in reverse)

 

[VelikiMag]

Anyway, in Greek we don't use it, but in French for example there is a whole "language" built in that way called "verlan" (from "a l'envers" which means, of course, in reverse)

Look what it says on wikipedia:

A form of slang very similar to verlan is occasionally used in Greek and is called "podaná", itself an inverted form of "anápoda" (i.e. backwards or "wrong way round"); it usually involves words that are already slang by themselves. Examples of podaná include tsosbá (inverted bátsos, slang for "cop"), zakipré (inverted prezáki, slang for "junkie"), dafoú (inverted foúnda, "hashish"), fosbá (inverted báfos, "joint") etc.

According to this, I would say the principle is pretty much the same like in BCS.

 

[TriglavNationalPark]

lima (mali) (C - Zagreb)

So that's where limač comes from! A few years ago, a Croatian chain of kids' stores known as Turbo limač expanded to Slovenia. Perhaps because the name was a profound mystery even to those who are otherwise familiar with BCS, the chain eventually rebranded to Turbo malček in Slovenia (malček meaning "little guy" in Slovenian).

(But let's get back on topic before I have to give myself a warning!)

 

[Brainiac]

So is it "pusti bogati" ???

To tell the truth, I was about to ask you about mojne later ...

Pust boga ti! (I think it's written separately, but I'm not sure) ili Pusti tako ti boga!
(Ma) bogati! (this goes together) = Egad!

egad
interj Archaic a mild oath or expression of surprise[probably variant of Ah God!]

mojne = nemoj!
Nemoj boga ti! Don't (do it) for God's sake! (For heaven's sake/ for Pete's sake)

@TNP:
Profound mystery? Definition of limač could be found in Wikipedia!
limač = kid, nipper, wean
http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Limač

 

[Tassos]

@Veliki Mag

ανάποδα doesn't mean wrong way round, but backwards or in reverse.
I vaguely remember "podana" being mentioned, sometime in the past, but I can assure you I never used any of the words
of the article (and I never heard anyone else use them or any of them in songs, or movies). I think it's much more obscure and rare than in BCS (or French), limited to certain ages (young) and certain areas of the Athens or Pireus. As I am much older and live in the suburbs I can't tell you anything more. Anyway, I am really amazed that someone wrote an article like that in wikipedia (not so much that he/she wrote it in English Wikipedia, as the Greek wikipedia has virtually nothing). People really have free time in their hands...

@Brainiac

So it is "pusti boga ti" (leave it for God's sake) and has nothing to do with the adjective bogat.
I didn't undestand what you wrote about Edgar though!!
Is Šatrovački also used in Serbian? R. Alexander's book says that Beograd has its own "elaborate system" of slang but it doesn't include switching the syllables of words.

 

[Duya]

Is Šatrovački also used in Serbian? R. Alexander's book says that Beograd has its own "elaborate system" of slang but it doesn't include switching the syllables of words.

Well, yes, but I'd say that it's less widespread than in Sarajevo or Zagreb. It is chiefly associated with "tough guys" from problematic Belgrade neighborhoods such as Dorćol or Zemun (Vukajlija entry). English Wikipedia has an article, too (unreferenced, naturally ). Of given examples, I'd say that most widely known are tebra, mojne, konza (Zemun, the country's most notorious quarter for mob activities, has joking nickname Munze konza; Šomi and Kiza are prototypical nicknames of jokes about mobsters), ljakse, pakšu, racku, capi/cupi, vutra; vozdra is mostly known from Sarajevo slang. Breaking syllables with syllabic r produces particularly colorful effects: dismr, dipr.

 

[TriglavNationalPark]

@TNP:
Profound mystery? Definition of limač could be found in Wikipedia!
limač = kid, nipper, wean
http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Limač

True, but I suppose most people don't go researching things like that online.

 

[DenisBiH]

True, but I suppose most people don't go researching things like that online.

Very true. Actually, limač was a mystery to me too until this thread.

 

[Brainiac]

@Brainiac
So it is "pusti boga ti" (leave it for God's sake) and has nothing to do with the adjective bogat.
I didn't undestand what you wrote about Edgar (Egod, sorry) though!!
Is Šatrovački also used in Serbian? R. Alexander's book says that Beograd has its own "elaborate system" of slang but it doesn't include switching the syllables of words.

It's not bogat - rich, but Boga ti, but I said I was not sure whether it is written separated or like one word. I wrote it separated not to mix it with adjective bogat.

exclamations:
Egad! = Bogati! (<- written together, and it's not bogati adj) Ma nemoj! Ma jel! (usklik)
Boga mi! Boga ti! Boga vam! = (onlinerecnik says) Gosh! (<- Oh Bože!)


@limač

Well, we - "new generation" - we don't ask parents to explain us things of their youth or so , you know - conversation parent-child, we just turn on computer and go to Google!
As far as I remember, my friends used šatrovački till .... 12-13th year, after we considered it as childish, old-fashioned, "out". I never like it either....

 

[Zaldozum]

In Macedonian, one could say kade or deka, and there is also the case of the word golemo, which looks like it came from megalo.

 

[Duya]

golemo, which looks like it came from megalo.

But only looks. From Skok:

golem, golema [...] sveslav. i praslav. golêmb [...] Izvedenica je stvorena s pomoću izoliranog sufiksa -ēmo od korijena koji je u lit. galiu, galēti »moći, biti u stanju«, u galia »imetak, snaga« i u ir. gal »junaštvo« i kimr. gallu »moći« < *galnu, [...]. Prvobitno je značenje, prema tome,
bilo »koji može > koji je snažan > velik«. Ie. je korijen gol- ili ghal- »moći«.

 

[Zaldozum]

Thanks Duya, I hadn't see such an explanation for that word up until now. Is there common agreement among Slavic linguists regarding the above? Does Skok also cite more words derived from the same root gol/ghal in other Slavic languages?

 

[Bosanac85]

Found it in two songs (again!!).

In the first (by Vatreni Poljubac) the lyric goes
Mojne meni to, mace maleno, mojne meni to, stipu gatibo.


in the other (by Bijelo Dugme), Mr. Bregović himself says
stipu, stara, gatibo, mene to ne leži (I think all this lyric is slang)

I understand the expression means "come on, let it go!", "leave it alone" or something like that.
But what the two words of the expression mean by themselves???
I haven't found anything on either stipu (checked for stipa, stipo, a verb with stipu as 3rd present plural, nothing) or gatibo. Are they found anywhere else in the language, or only in this expression ??
Anyway, is this expression still in use today and is it considered offensive?

Thanx again.

Monje meni to means = Nemoj meni to

Found it in two songs (again!!).

In the first (by Vatreni Poljubac) the lyric goes
Mojne meni to, mace maleno, mojne meni to, stipu gatibo.


in the other (by Bijelo Dugme), Mr. Bregović himself says
stipu, stara, gatibo, mene to ne leži (I think all this lyric is slang)

I understand the expression means "come on, let it go!", "leave it alone" or something like that.
But what the two words of the expression mean by themselves???
I haven't found anything on either stipu (checked for stipa, stipo, a verb with stipu as 3rd present plural, nothing) or gatibo. Are they found anywhere else in the language, or only in this expression ??
Anyway, is this expression still in use today and is it considered offensive?

Thanx again.

Monje meni to = Nemoj meni to
Stipu Gatibo = Pusti Bogati