Bulgarian: How to say 21000 leva, 21001 leva?

[Swirlyman]

My thought, based on the excellent Bulgarian grammar resource at http://www.hf.uio.no/ilos/studier/studenttjenester/Nettressurser/bulg/mat/gram/index.html

is that the following should be correct:
21000 leva: dvadeset i edna hiliadi leva
21001 leva: dvadeset i edna hiliadi i edin leva

based on 'hiliadi' being feminine gender and 'leva' being masculine.

However a Bulgarian friend of mine believes that the 1 or 2 preceding hiliadi should take on the gender of the word being counted, so:
21000 leva: dvadeset i edin hiliadi leva
21001 leva: dvadeset i edin hiliadi i edin leva

My friend agrees, however, that 1 or 2 preceding milion(a), miliard(a) or trilion(a) are always masculine gender (edin, dva).

Who is correct?

Swirlyman or Swirly's friend?

 

[cecoll]

21000 leva: dvadeset i edna hiliadi leva
21001 leva: dvadeset i edna hiliadi i edin leva

21000 leva: dvadeset i edin hiliadi leva
21001 leva: dvadeset i edin hiliadi i edin leva

Hi,

This is a very tough question, and I think only a linguist expert or
philologist can answer it, but I`ll try to help u out...so that you can sleep at night !

Ok, here is what i think:

Your friend is right that the number should take the gender of the word being counted and that will be wholly true if you count anything else but money

21 000 hilyadi carrots = dvadeset i edin hiliadi morkova (carrots)

So when we talk about money in Bulgaria...we say:

21 000 leva = dvadeset i edna hilyadi (leva)....we are used to miss "leva" couse we know what currency we`re talking about....so the number takes the gender of hilyada

cvetan

P.S/ By the way...one can argue on that one so long as if discussing what came first, the egg ot the hen !!! Anyway, I like brainstorming so I`m g;ad to help !

 

[Swirlyman]

So then here's a related question:
21000 euros: dvadeset i edna hiliadi evro or dvadeset i edno hiliadi evro

Swirlyman

 

[cecoll]

Hahahahahahahaha ,

Good one again !

the same thing :

21 000 euro = dvadeset i edna hilyadi (evro)

We`re used to say numbers that way i really doubt it will change after we introduce the euro...

Hmm I`ll be glad to hear other opinions

P.S/ If you`re taking an exam in bulgarian language maybe you should search for more competent opinion...thats what we say in every day language, ok?

 

[Swirlyman]

Thanks, it's to help me figure out the Bulgarian pronunciation rules for Voice-over-Internet technology (e.g. automated systems with pre-recorded sound clips saying your bank balance over the phone).

Your opinion agrees with the Bulgarian grammar website I posted earlier, so I'll go with that.

BTW, to see some other opinions, I came across a forum discussion (from 2002) on this same subject, but it's all in Bulgarian, so I had trouble reading it all. But it seemed that there was a lot of difference of opinion!

Here it is:

http://clubs.dir.bg/showthreaded.ph...r=1937711720&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=7&part=

Cheers,
Swirlyman

 

[cecoll]

Thanks for giving me that link !!!

I really laughed with all my heart

The rule is: the number (21) takes the gender of hilyada, milion, etc. not of the currency itself !!!

Now that I read through all of that stuff my doubts are over !

21 000 = dvadeset i edna hilyadi leva
21 000 001 = davdeset i edin miliona leva

This is the most convincing example :
21 000 000 pounds = dvadeset i edin miliona liri (lira = female,milion= male)

I think we can close this topic now, unless you wanna learn how to pronounce all that stuff !

Cheers

 

[carnerorojo]

I will tell you, I am native

21000 lv.=dvadeset i edin hiliadi leva (lev-masculine, leva-masculine pl.)
21001 lv.=dvadeset i edin hiliadi i edin leva

21000 euro=dvadeset i edno hiliadi evro (evro-sreden rod)
21001 euro=dvadeset i edno hiliadi evro i edno