Discussion in 'Polski (Polish)' started by Henjek, Mar 8, 2010.

  1. Henjek New Member

    the hague and bystrzyca (poland)
    dutch - the Netherlands
    I am trying to learn Polish. I understood that there are things called "cognates", something loike the word in english is "garden" and in Polish it is "ogrod". The "grd" indicating that these words derived from the same original motherword. This helps me a lot in remembering words. I would like to find a list of threse words. Does any one have an idea where I can find it?
  2. Faycelina Senior Member

    Do you a list with cognate words from English to Polish? That's gonna be difficult ;) I don't know if such list exists...
    Maybe you'd be also interested in a list from French to Polish. I've never realised that we have so many French origin words in Polish but my fiancé is French speaking and when he learns Polish, it happens very often that he says "Oh, it's similar to French!" :D
    Last edited: Mar 8, 2010
  3. Henjek New Member

    the hague and bystrzyca (poland)
    dutch - the Netherlands
    Hi Faycelina,

    A list with cognates Polish / French would also be very welcome. Do you know something like that?
  4. Faycelina Senior Member

    Unfortunately I don't have such list... I'd have to make it continuously with my fiancé as he learns and compares PL words with FR ones. I'm sorry I can't help...
  5. Lorenc Senior Member

    Yours is a very interesting idea Henjek, and I was wondering as well if such a thing exists. To me etymological analysis is very useful in remembering new words. It would be nice to have a electronic dictionary which reported the etymology of words, so that one could see all words of, say, French, German (etc.) origin. Alas, I don't think such a dictionary exists.
    From time to time I have tried note down words which resemble Italian (though they are not necessarily words of Italian origin). In many cases the same words also resemble English (and probably most Indoeuropean languages): inżynier, architekt, chirurg, kanalia, oko, rezultat, stacja...
    Specifically similar to Italian are are a few words connected with music, food and clothes: pomodor, cebula, pomarańcza, trąba, kontrabas, kapelusz, parasol...

    Anyway, a part from these "trivial" cases, the really interesting thing would be to find cognates though protoindoeuropean (PIE), for example analysing list such as this [I'm forbidden to post URLs, just google Indo-European lexicon utexas]

    For example, ogień (fire), PIE egnis:eek:gnis, latin ignis;
    PIE root leuk- (light/shine), English light, latin "lux" and "luna", Polish łuna

    I don't know if a scholarly study of this kind has been done. If it has, I'd imagine it's never been used outside academic circles...
  6. Faycelina Senior Member

    I think in some books you can find lists which you need. Probably not full lists but some short ones. Or at least "false friends" which should be pretty common :)
  7. Henjek New Member

    the hague and bystrzyca (poland)
    dutch - the Netherlands
    Thanx Lorenc,
    Yes some words resemble Italian or a francophone origin. There were borrowed words from the Napoleontian time. Anyway these new words like engineer are not too hard. But the old ones ...
    By the way I think "kapelusz" comes from Hebrew ("keppel").
    And yes they must have a PIE origin. I will check your suggestion. But untill so far I have only found lists with Slavic languages and not compared to German languages, unfortunately!
    Also I found a book on the net in which they want to use cognates in learning English to Polish people in the UK. So there must be something out there.
    First I try your suggestion. Thanx!
  8. Encolpius

    Encolpius Senior Member

    Praha (Prague)
    magyar (Hungarian)
    Hello, the Polish vocabulary is Slavic and even though you find some French Polish cognates, those Polish words won't help you much to speak basic or advanced Polish. Most cognates are far away from the spoken Polish.
  9. bibax Senior Member

    Czech (Prague)
    I suppose that you didn't mean such words like film, kurtyna (curtain), bandaż, krawat, handel (bussiness), kelner (waiter), biuro, fryzura etc.

    They are not cognates but loanwords from German, French, Italian, English, and other languages.

    Some Polish loanwords are very old like kosciół (castellum - church), cebula (caepula - onion), koszula (casula - shirt), wino (vinum - wine). Some words of Slavic origin are old loanwords from Germanic like książe (kunning - king/prince) or pieniądze (penning - penny/money).

    Examples of true cognates (English/German - Latin - Polish/Czech):

    brother/Bruder - frater - brat/bratr
    sister/Schwester - soror - sióstra/sestra
    mother/Mutter - mater - matka/mateř
    son - (filius) - syn
    two/zwei - duo - dwa
    three/drei - tres - trzy
    eight/acht - octo - osiem
    hundred/hundert - centum - sto
    heart/Hertz - cors (cord-) - serce/srd-ce
    apple/Äpfel - (malum) - jabłko/j-abl-ko
    (full/voll?) - plenus - pełny/plný
    water/Wasser - (aqua) - woda
    night/Nacht - nox - noc
    garden/Garten - hortum - gród (ogorod)/hrad (zahrada)
    milk/Milch - (lact-) - mleko
    loaf - (panis) - chleb
    new/neu - novus - nowy
    (ear) - auris - ucho
    mouse - mus - mysz
    snow/Schnee - nix - śnieg/sníh
  10. Henjek New Member

    the hague and bystrzyca (poland)
    dutch - the Netherlands
    Thank you Bibax,

    Yes I did not mean the recent loanwords, for the most part they are quite obvious. But thanx for the other ones: very helpful. I knew pienanze, but now that I see it comes from Penning, it is so much easier! And fun too.
    This is what I am looking for. Do you know where I can find such lists? That would be so helpful.
  11. Lorenc Senior Member

    I too thank you Bibax, it's an interesting list. I would never have guessed pieniądze is related with penny or kościół with castellum... Also hortum/ogród was illuminating (in Italian orto means vegetable garden). Personally, from the point of view of learning in practice new words, everything goes if it can be a help for memory: loanwords, cognates, coincidences... anything which creates an association and thus makes the process of recalling easier. Knowing already Italian, English, French and Latin it would be nice to capitalize on this learning Polish. Does anyone knows of any study material which presents such tables?
  12. PawelBierut Senior Member

    Polish - Poland
    I have one example which is interesting to me... I think that these words have the same root.

    So there is a word yayo in Spanish (English grandpa) which in my opinion resembles Polish dziadzio, dziadek. The meaning and pronunciation is almost the same.

    Spanish / Polish

    yayo / dziadzio = dziadek

    I don't know anything about the existence of the list that you search for however it's quite possible that we will have it here in a short period of time.
  13. Ben Jamin Senior Member

    A warning: using cognates in the initial stage of learning a language does not help very much, but can bring about much confusion. Apart from the useful examples given by Bibax you will find plenty of false friends, as for example English eventual and Polish ewentualny. Basing on cognates is the main source of bad command of a foreign language, when one takes a word from his/her own language and believes that it means the same as a similar word in another language. Using cognates is fun for etymology lovers, but dangerous to "common learners". By the way, many people believe that they have made a real etymological catch realizing that Spanish mucho has similar meaning with English much. In fact these words are NOT cognates (false cognates). Latin habere is not a cognate of the Germanic haben/have either. Yayo (never heard before, the normal word for grandfather in Spanish is abuelo) certainly is not a cognate of dziadzio.
  14. PawelBierut Senior Member

    Polish - Poland
    I mostly agree with you... I don't know if these words are cognates or not... Don't have sufficient knowledge about it. Probably they are not.

    Just in case here you have the entry for a word:
  15. Encolpius

    Encolpius Senior Member

    Praha (Prague)
    magyar (Hungarian)
    You can find lists like that at the end of some very good etymology dictionaries or search in digital etymology dictionaries. But I do not know if there are dictionaries of that type in Polish.
  16. Ben Jamin Senior Member

    There is a greek word γιαγιά (yaya) meaning grandmother. Maybe this word has something to do with the Spanish (slang or dialect?) word. It would be interesting to know where the word is used.
  17. themanlyman New Member

    this pdf has a list of polish cognates
    www .scribd. com /doc /116980860 / how-to-learn-7-languages-barnes-method-english

    you will find more polish cognates between slavic languages, so if you know russian etc then you'll have a more complete list

    usually cognates look the same with just the final letters changing, you can pronounce them the same as you native language except for the final syllable, and you'll just sound Like you have an accent

    its a good place to start a language (cognates) and can enhance anyone's 2nd language if you haven't already used it

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