comma before present participle: from an old dialect, meaning "group"

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I am taking dictation from part of a radio program in English. The following is where I got stuck.
A "twosome" means two people. The suffix some seems to come from ( )
1. an old British dialect meaning "group."
2. an old British dialect, meaning "group."
Which, #1 or #2, do you think would be more natural for the blank above. I listened for the intonational clue, but I couldn't judge which. The speaker is an educated American woman.

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  • I'd say #2. "Meaning group" is not referring to "dialect" -- that is, it is not a limitation on the word "group", which would suggest no comma -- but rather back to "some."
     
    I am taking dictation from part of a radio program in English. The following is where I got stuck.
    A "twosome" means two people. The suffix some seems to come from ( )

    1. an old British dialect meaning "group."

    2. an old British dialect, meaning "group."
    Which, #1 or #2, do you think would be more natural for the blank above. I listened for the intonational clue, but I couldn't judge which. The speaker is an educated American woman.

    8769

    My choice is #2. But I'm fairly generous with commas.

    Seriously, I feel it is needed.

    LRV
     
    Funnily enough, I would never refer to a twosome. Two people might be a couple or a pair, but not a twosome. A threesome, however, I might refer to, as opposed to a trio. But a threesome implies three people together for sexual purposes! A trio might be three people playing the banjo or together for anything similarly innocent.
     
    Funnily enough, I would never refer to a twosome. Two people might be a couple or a pair, but not a twosome. A threesome, however, I might refer to, as opposed to a trio. But a threesome implies three people together for sexual purposes! A trio might be three people playing the banjo or together for anything similarly innocent.

    "A twosome" is a common BE usage.

    LRV
     
    Really LRV? Is it a common usage. Perhaps in your experience, but I can't think of an example, other than humorously as in 'the gruesome twosome'...
     
    Yeah...not sure about it being "common" usage either but it is widely understood. As for the original question, definitely #2. I, too, am a big fan of the comma... ; P
     
    What a word means depends entirely on context.

    Twosome does mean pair. When I see the word twosome, my interpretation is that the couple is perhaps friendlier than simply a pair. Threesome means a group of three people who are likely quite friendly with each other. Perhaps they are shopping, bird-watching, out on a nature walk etc.
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    A "twosome" means two people. The suffix some seems to come from ( )
    1. an old British dialect meaning "group."
    2.
    an old British dialect, meaning "group."

    I think the biggest problem is that there is a word missing. I would alter the sentence as follows.

    The suffix some seems to come from an old British dialect word meaning 'group'. [and perhaps I would leave out the word dialect altogether].

    Meaning really is modifying word, not dialect. The way the sentence was presented, the comma is needed to make clear that meaning is not in fact modifying 'dialect'.

    Orange Blossom
     
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