1. zowiof Member

    france french
    Hi all of you

    Here is the french sentence:

    A l’ombre des bouquets de palmes, le dépaysement est garantit dans cette oasis sereine

    And my try

    In the shadow of the palm clusters, exoticism is guaranteed in that peaceful haven (I'm doing a description of a hotel)

    But I'm not quite sure about "exoticism" . Could someone help?

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    FRENFR Senior Member

    Positively, dépaysement = change of scene.

    In the shadows of the palm clusters, a change of scene is guaranteed in THIS paceful haven.

    Why are you translating into your second language by the way?

    To be honest, the translation you have done and I have corrected is not reall English.. too franglais. I'd say:

    We guarantee you a change of scene in this peaceful haven (during your stay at this peaceful haven), hidden/situated/tucked away in the shadows of the palm clusters/palm-tree surroundings...

    How about that?

    palm clusters is bizarre, but I don't think people looking at the leaflet are going to start have conversations about word usage, when it's clearly a lot of palms in a short area, despite whether it sounds strange or not. Just my opinion.
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  3. edmason Member

    English - England
    Please could someone help me translate 'dépaysement' in this context. It's from page 121 of La femme rompue by Beauvoir (a novel written in diary format so it is very descriptive). THe character Monique is in a deserted town, lying on the grass listening to Mozart, smoking and then reading. A lorry comes to collect something from a building. It then reads:

    Rien d'autre n'a dérangé le silence de cet après-midi: pas un visiteur. Le concert [Mozart] fini, j'ai lu. Double dépaysement; je m'en allais très loin, au bord d'un fleuve inconnu; je levais les yeaux, et je me retrouvais parmi ces pierres, loin de ma vie."

    I wouldn't like my guesses to colour your judgements and advice, but I think it suggests "I was entirely disoriented" or "Very disoriented, I travelled far away, to the shores of an unknown river..."

    Crit much appreciated.
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  4. clairet

    clairet Senior Member

    London & Bordeaux
    England & English (UK version)
    then "doubly disorienting" makes sense - she finds herself first (via Mozart) by an unknown river and second "among these stones, far from my normal life".
  5. BAlfson Senior Member

    Oklahoma City
    USA - anglais
  6. hampton.mc

    hampton.mc Senior Member

    I am not sure I understand your question. You are looking for one exact equivalent word that could be used in the same different contexts?
  7. Suehil

    Suehil Medemod

    Tillou, France
    British English
    I think he is looking for a translation of 'dépaysement'. :)

    The nearest I can get is 'uprootedness'.
  8. amg8989 Senior Member

    English-United Sates
    Dépaysement= homesickness, no??

    .."I'm homesick for the US"
    .."I'm homesick for England"

  9. hampton.mc

    hampton.mc Senior Member

    change of scenery , exile, disorientation... depending on context
  10. BAlfson Senior Member

    Oklahoma City
    USA - anglais
    Can you use it in a phrase when it means homesickness?
  11. hampton.mc

    hampton.mc Senior Member

    J'ai le mal du pays.
  12. BAlfson Senior Member

    Oklahoma City
    USA - anglais
    Yes, that's where I get stuck. How does dépaysement feel different from mal du pays?

    Par exemple: comment serait "Il ressentait un dépaysement" différent que de dire “il ressentait un mal du pays.”
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  13. hampton.mc

    hampton.mc Senior Member

    DÉPAYSER, verbe trans.
    A. Transporter quelqu'un hors du pays, du lieu où il est ordinairement implanté.
    B. Au fig. Déconcerter quelqu'un en le transportant dans un cadre inhabituel, en modifiant ses habitudes.
  14. Nicomon

    Nicomon Senior Member

    Français, Québec ♀

    Il me semble que "homesickness", se traduirait plutôt par « mal du pays » ou nostalgie, non?

    Uprootedness = déracinement

    Termium suggère "urban alienation" pour traduire « dépaysement urbain ». Mais alienation (tout seul) ne pourrait pas traduire dépaysement

    En français, un quasi synonyme de dépaysement (dans le sens que l'article donne = se se sentir dépaysé) serait inadaptation.
    Et en anglais, maladjustment... mais ce n'est pas ça non plus. Il y aurait aussi disorientation, mais le mot existe en français aussi.

    En effet pas facile...

    Edit : Trop lente à répondre. Je n'avais pas lu les posts # 5 à 9. :eek:
  15. Suehil

    Suehil Medemod

    Tillou, France
    British English
    To me they are quite different:
    'Dépaysement' is the feeling of not belonging, of being in the wrong place.
    'Mal du pays' is missing your home.
  16. BAlfson Senior Member

    Oklahoma City
    USA - anglais
    Thanks, I mean B. Now in one word or two without giving the definition?

    I agree, Suehil and Nicomon. :)
  17. hampton.mc

    hampton.mc Senior Member

    So you can be "dépayser" without being homesick. You might like being "dépaysé" e.g. "Ce dépaysement m'a fait un bien fou" but you never enjoy being homesick
  18. amg8989 Senior Member

    English-United Sates
    feeling of being disjunct ???
  19. BAlfson Senior Member

    Oklahoma City
    USA - anglais
    I'm thinking maybe "alienation" could work. For example how would you translate, "He felt a sense of alienation in his new environment; none of the people dressed like at home, the birds sang differently and he knew they all thought the same of him."

    Cheers - Bob
  20. Jeanbar Senior Member

    Le dépaysement, ce n'est pas çà: c'est un changement de cadre sans le malaise de se sentir étranger en dehors de chez soi.
  21. Nicomon

    Nicomon Senior Member

    Français, Québec ♀
    Le TLFI donne tout de même aussi cette définition :
    Je mets ci-dessous les résultats d'une recherche (plusieurs sites) qui vaut... ce qu'elle vaut.

    Culture shock without the shock, the loss of familiar markers when travelling abroad. A feeling often sought as part of escape from routine.

    1. French word derived from ‘pays' (country), signifying the state of being outside of one's homeland.
    2. (Figurative) Being in a state where all around seems foreign; feeling alienated.

    It is well-known that North African immigrants experience “dépaysement” a type of defamiliarization, alienation, as a consequence of living in a hybrid cultural environment that contains contradictory, even mutually exclusive elements between the culture of their origin, and that of their residence.

    Lévi-Strauss recommends to anthropologists the concept of dépaysement. Alienation from one’s own enculturation as a recipe for objectivity in the appreciation of others. Ethnocentric bias can have invisible wavelengths.

    Suggestions trouvées sur un site de traducteurs (deux contextes)
    - unexpected, unusual, exotic, change of scenery, new horizons
    - dislocation, alienation, unbelonging
  22. grammar2011 Member



    Je suis en train de lire une revue au sujet du quartier chinois à Londres mais j’ai besoin d’aide avec cette phrase ici :

    'ici le dépaysement est presque total tant les devantures arborent des décorations d'un autre continent.'
    (ici = Chinatown/ le quartier chinois)
    Je comprends l’idée, c’est le fait que ce quartier est très asiatique, il a l’allure d’un autre continent. Je pense que mon problème majeur est la traduction de ‘presque total tant.’ Est-ce que quelqu’un peut me donne une bonne traduction ?
    Ma tentative:
    ‘in Chinatown, the change of scenery is extreme to the point where every shop window displays the decorations of another continent.’
    Merci beaucoup J
  23. Interprete Senior Member

    French, France
    Il y a une virgule après total
    Tant conveys the idea of because+ so much
    So: The change of scenery is almost complete because every shop window displays so much of the decorations of another continent.
    Or something along those lines, the most important being to include the idea of 'because' and 'so (much)' somewhere in the translation.

    A better way of phrasing it could be: Every shop window displays the decorations of another continent, so much so that the change of scenery is extreme. That would be the exact equivalent in my opinion, in French you just turn it around and use "tant" (cause) instead of "so much so that" (consequence).
  24. Ouitecheude Senior Member

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  25. grammar2011 Member

    Merci beaucoup, je trouve que 'tant' est un mot très difficile de traduire :$
  26. WillHelpIfICan Senior Member

    English - UK
    The store signs, designs and banners in Chinatown will make you feel so much like you truly were on another continent altogether.


    Chinatown's store designs and banners make it clear that we truly are on another continent altogether.
  27. EXPRESSions Member

    US, English
    [...] If you are trying to convince people to visit this hotel, you better darn well sell it to them, creating an alluring image in their mind's eye:

    A relaxing change of scene is assured during your stay at this peaceful oasis, tucked away in the shade of the lush palm groves...
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  28. Salvatos Senior Member

    Québec, Canada
    French - Québec
    Je crois que dans plusieurs cas Escapism (évasion) pourrait rendre un sentiment suffisamment proche.
  29. Nicomon

    Nicomon Senior Member

    Français, Québec ♀
    Perso, je comprendrais escapism comme échappatoire / fuite de la réalité ou comme tu l'as écrit... évasion.

    Je n'associe pas ce mot à dépaysement qui, selon le contexte, peut être ou positif ou négatif.
    Il n'est pas rare, d'ailleurs, qu'on voie dans un même texte évasion et dépaysement.
  30. UBJ43X Senior Member

    Peterborough, UK
    English - UK
    Maybe "culture shock" would work for dépaysement?
  31. Uncle Bob Senior Member

    British English
    As usual it depends on context. "Culture shock" wouldn't work in a travel brochure (unless its for masochists).

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