That's not a minimal pair because the sound of the a is different. A true minimal pair differs only in one sound. I could think of plenty of pairs of words like درب and ضرب, but I couldn't think of one in which no vowel sounds change!An example for د and ض would be درب (darb) and ضرب (Darb) -- path and hitting respectively.
Elroy, I don't really get the vowel change, they are دَرْب and ضَرْب, so where is the different vowel?
His point was ( I think) that vowel quality of the fat7a is altered by the presence of the Daad, and so in a strict linguistic sense there is a slightly different vowel in each case, making a less-than perfect minimal pair.
That must be another difference I can't perceive in my own speech (although I've just said the two words to myself and I think I do detect a slight difference).The example of تين and طين does differ in the pronunciation of the ي, as the ii vowel is more centralized under the influence of the emphatic consonant.
Ah yes, I forgot about complementary distribution. Good point.Fortunately, we don't have to rely on minimal pairs. If you have the sounds [d] and [D] in the same phonetic distribution, and if they are also different sounds, then they are phonemes of a language, /d/ and /D/. ض can occur anywhere in a word, د can also occur anywhere in a word. ض and د are different sounds. They are not in complementary distribution and are therefore phonemes. [...]
Clevermizo already took care of this one.Elroy, I don't really get the vowel change, they are دَرْب and ضَرْب, so where is the different vowel?
No, the ending is not always "i." There are many possible inflections depending on grammar and syntax.And as for the sôifee thing, I thought with vowels you have to write a kasrâ underneath the Fa no?