en masse [pronunciation]

[NewAmerica]

My dictionary says that "en masse" read as /ɔŋ'mɑ:s/, and WRF /ɑ̃ mas/, and Cambridge Dictionary UK /ˌɒ̃ ˈmæs/ US /ˌɑ̃ː ˈmæs/.

Which pronunciation would you prefer?

Thanks in advance


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[Glenfarclas]

Which pronunciation would you prefer?

Why, are you taking a poll?

 

[NewAmerica]

Does you think /ɔŋ'mɑ:s/ is acceptable?

 

[Glenfarclas]

No, the /ŋ/ is obviously wrong. Would you care to tell us the name of your dictionary?

 

[NewAmerica]

No, the /ŋ/ is obviously wrong. Would you care to tell us the name of your dictionary?

The two dictionaries are embedded in an app. I got a screenshot as below

It says there are two sources: 以上来源于: WordNet (it means "the above comes from WordNet) and 21世纪大英汉词典 (it means "21 Century Great English-Chinese Dictionary").

What is weird is that when I clicked WordNet, I found it leads to PRINCETON UNIVERSITY: About WordNet - WordNet - About WordNet
Yet I failed to find the entry "en masse" there.

 

[Andygc]

And the OED writes it as /ɒn ˈmas/. As far as BE is concerned, I'd say it is pronounced the same as "on mass", as the OED suggests. Few BE speakers attempt to use an accurate French pronunciation.

 

[natkretep]

I pronounce it like Andy.

But I see our WR dictionaries give different options.

en masse - WordReference.com Dictionary of English
Random House: (än mas′, en; Fr. äN mas′)
Collins: /French: ɑ̃ mas/

They seem to give French style pronunciations (Random House äN mas′ = IPA /ɑ̃ mas/. The Random House first respelt version means /ɑːnmæs/, which I take to be an American version of my /ɒn ˈmas/.

 

[entangledbank]

Some English expressions have a French nasalized vowel, but if this is changed to use a consonant, it's always [n], I think, never [ŋ].

 

[natkretep]

It's [n] certainly in ensuite, en bloc, envelope or en passant in Anglicised pronunciations. But there is often [ŋ] in encore but that's to do with assimilation towards /k/.

I wonder whether this has to do with what people sometimes tell English speakers to do in order produce a nasalised vowel: present you are going to say the vowel + [ŋ] - only don't actually say the [ŋ]!

 

[se16teddy]

I pronounce it ong mass in imitation of the pronunciation of my French friend, whose native language is French but who is from Belgium. Is mocking the Belgians really unacceptable? This pronunciation is reflected in spellings like these:
Antoing - Wikipedia
Tourcoing - Wikipedia