EN: The firm had all its employees relocated

[Newgate]

Choice between simple past / present perfect / past perfect

I know the differences between them :

with preterite, there is no link with present
with present perfect, there is a link, and we do the assessment of a past event
and we use the plus perfect for do the link between two past events (one older than the other)

But how ask a question when the corresponding question is used with with plusperfect ?

=> The firm had all its employees relocated in Manchester in October.

Can we say: "When and were the firm's employees had been relocated ?" (because the answer is at the plusperfect)

 

[joelooc]

The firm had all its employees relocated in Manchester in October. n'est pas un pluperfect :The firm had relocated all its employees in Manchester in October. ça c'est un pluperfect.

 

[pointvirgule]

Joelooc a raison : il ne s'agit pas du pluperfect (alias past perfect). C'est une structure causative ; le sens est que la société a fait en sorte que les employés soient déplacés à Manchester.

Et pour répondre à la question posée :
Where and when did the firm have all its employees relocated?

 

[moustic]

Can we say: "When and were the firm's employees had been relocated ?"

No.
Comme indiqué par Joelooc, il n'y a pas de plus que parfait dans cette phrase. Il s'agit d'une forme causative ici (faire faire quelque chose).

The firm had all its employees relocated to Manchester in October = La société a fait transférer tous ses employés à Manchester au mois d'octobre.

Les formes interrogatives seraient : Where did the firm have its employees relocated to? When did they have them relocated?

 

[OLN]

"Have someone relocated" est un causatif + un participe passé (passif).

- I am having my hair done.
- I had my hair done. When did you have your hair done? I had my hair done yesterday.
- Pluperfect : I had had my hair done.

La société a fait déménager ses employés (passé composé)
≠
La société avait fait déménager ses employés (plus-que parfait)

Voir my father had his car repaired yesterday



Merci Moustic

 

[Newgate]

D'accord je n'avais pas connaissance de la structure causative.
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