# Friend with

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#### bmo

##### Senior Member
He is friend with John.
He is a friend with John.

Are both of these correct?

Thanks.

• #### Notquitegenius

##### Senior Member
He is friend with John.
He is a friend with John.

Are both of these correct?

Thanks.
Actually neither one is correct. "He is friends with John" or "He is one of John's friends" are better.

#### bmo

##### Senior Member
Got it. Thanks a lot.

bmo

#### Matching Mole

##### Senior Member
Or: "He is a friend of John's".

#### Dimcl

##### Senior Member
Actually neither one is correct. "He is friends with John" or "He is one of John's friends" are better.
Actually, "He is friends with John" isn't something I'd use formally. You certainly hear it commonly used in conversation but, as Matching Mole said "He is a friend of John's" is more correct. You could also say "He is friendly with John" although this would be less commonly said.

#### AWordLover

##### Senior Member
Hi,

The relationship of friendship can be a little tricky because while friendship is often a symmetric relationship it doesn't need to be.

Here are some simpler examples to show what I mean.

A is B's friend. This means that B likes and trusts A. It does not mean that A likes and trusts B, although that is often the case.

If instead I say, "A and B are friends." it means the following.
Both A is B's friend, and B is A's friend.

I hope this helps,
AWordLover

#### roniy

##### Senior Member
He is friend with John.
He is a friend with John.

Are both of these correct?

Thanks.
I think the second one would be correct if you changed 'with' with 'to'
What the native speakers think ?

#### Genecks

##### Senior Member
He is friend with John.
He is a friend with John.

Are both of these correct?

Thanks.
Question: Who is this person?
He is a friend of John.

Question: What does John think of this person?
He is a friend to John.

Or: "He is a friend of John's".
No, I disagree. You are using the apostrophe, which implies ownership; but you are also using the preposition "of." This is a double-positive usage, which is excessive. I do not think excessive, double-positive usage is proper grammar. I don't know the correct termionlogy for this predicament, but I would not use that sentence, Matching Mole.

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