# grading systems in other countries

#### Whodunit

##### Senior Member
I'd like to know how the grade system works in your country in schools. I think I don't have to explain it further after the following table:

Germany:
1 - sehr gut (very good)
2 - gut (good)
3 - befriedigend (satisfactory)
4 - ausreichend (enough)
5 - mangelhaft (poor)
6 - ungenügend (not enough)

America/GB:
A - excellent
B - good
C - satisfactory
D - sufficient
E - poor
F - unsatisfactory

France:
20 sur 20 (A) - très bien
?? sur 20 (B) - bien
?? sur 20 (C) - assez bien
?? sur 20 (D) - passable
?? sur 20 (E) - dessous de la moyenne (?)
0 sur 20 (F) - insuffisant (?)

Thanks for corrections and supplementations.

• #### Fernando

##### Senior Member
The epoch when I was in school (so-called Middle Ages):

0-3: Muy deficiente = Very bad. Not normally used (F)
3-5: Insuficiente = Insufficient (E)
5-6: Suficiente = Sufficient (D)
6-7: Bien = Fair (C)
7-9: Notable = Remarkable (B)
9-10: Sobresaliente = Excellent (A)

#### Jana337

##### Senior Member
Czech Republic:

1 - výborně - excellent
2 - chvalitebně - very good
3 - dobře - good
4 - dostatečně - sufficient
5 - nedostatečně - insufficient

Universities:
1 - výborně - excellent
2 - chvalitebně - very good
3 - dobře - good
4 - nedostatečně - insufficient

Jana

#### JLanguage

##### Senior Member
Whodunit said:
I'd like to know how the grade system works in your country in schools. I think I don't have to explain it further after the following table:

America/GB:
A - excellent
B - good
C - satisfactory
D - sufficient
E - poor
F - unsatisfactory

Thanks for corrections and supplementations.
A: Excellent
B - B+: Good
B-: Decent
C: Acceptable
D: Barely sufficient
F: Failing

Numbers:
A: 90-100+
B - B+ : 85-89
B-: 80-84
C: 75-79
D: 70-74
F: <70

Whether or not B or C is satisfactory depends on both the school and the person, but it is universal that an F is failing and A is exemplary, while D is very poor.

#### amikama

##### a mi modo
In Israel there are two scales, 0-10 (usually small quizes, surprise quizes etc.) and 0-100 (usually exams).

It's ten years since I've graduated high school, but if my memory serves me right it goes like this:
10 or 95-100 = מצוין (execllent)
9 or 85-94 = טוב מאוד (very good)
8 or 75-84 = טוב (good)
7 or 65-74 = כמעט טוב (almost good)
6 or 55-64 = מספיק (sufficient)
5 or 45-54 = מספיק בקושי (hardly sufficient)
<4 or <44 = בלתי מספיק/נכשל (insufficient/failed)

#### alc112

##### Senior Member
I like this topic:

10: Sobresaliente
9: Distingudo
8 y 7: Muy Bueno
6: bueno
5 y 4: Regular
3, 2 y 1: Insuficiente

#### Whodunit

##### Senior Member
alc112 said:
I like this topic:
So do I. Thank you all very much for your answeres and corrections.

However I'd like to know the Russian one again. I just remember it's like the German one, just vice versa.

#### JLanguage

##### Senior Member
amikama said:
In Israel there are two scales, 0-10 (usually small quizes, surprise quizes etc.) and 0-100 (usually exams).

It's ten years since I've graduated high school, but if my memory serves me right it goes like this:
10 or 95-100 = מצוין (execllent)
9 or 85-94 = טוב מאוד (very good)
8 or 75-84 = טוב (good)
7 or 65-74 = כמעט טוב (almost good)
6 or 55-64 = מספיק (sufficient)
5 or 45-54 = מספיק בקושי (hardly sufficient)
<4 or <44 = בלתי מספיק/נכשל (insufficient/failed)
Wow, that's a lenient system, here anything less than a seventy is failing.

#### panjandrum

##### Lapsed Moderator
JLanguage said:
Wow, that's a lenient system, here anything less than a seventy is failing.
It's not necessarily lenient. It could be just as difficult to score 40 in one scheme as to score 70 in another. Logically, 50% should be average. Grade creep is a big problem

#### timpeac

##### Senior Member
Jana337 said:
Czech Republic:

1 - výborně - excellent
2 - chvalitebně - very good
3 - dobře - good
4 - dostatečně - sufficient
5 - nedostatečně - insufficient

Universities:
1 - výborně - excellent
2 - chvalitebně - very good
3 - dobře - good
4 - nedostatečně - insufficient

Jana
That's interesting. At Czech university you can only be good or insufficient then, not average. I think in a way I like that since you know where you are!

At British university you have

1st* "starred first" - 80+% -outstanding
1st - 70-80% excellent
2-1 - "two-one" - 60-70% - good
2-2 "two-two" - 50-60% - fair
3rd bare pass - 40-50%
fail - <40%

Again the percentages don't mean very much. For example, if you wrote something that was absolutely fantastic that even your tutor was in awe of it might get 85%. At least that is how it worked for arts subjects at my university. I don't know how it worked for subjects such as maths where there are right or wrong answers and so you could theoretically get 100% I suppose.

#### lsp

##### Senior Member
The US of A has gone in a variety of directions, so it's hard to generalize as a nation. However, where ABCDF is used, "D" is insufficient, borderline failure.

p.s. (The US of A have??? )

#### Mita

##### Senior Member
Hi!
In Chile:
7,0: excellent
6,0 to 6,9: good
5,0 to 5,9: so-so
4,0 to 4,9: barely sufficient
1,0 to 3,0: insufficient
In Chile our grades are "blue" or "red". The red ones are very bad... if you have a red average grade in three subjects, you have to repeat.

JLanguage said:
A: Excellent
B - B+: Good
B-: Decent
C: Acceptable
D: Barely sufficient
F: Failing
lsp said:
However, where ABCDF is used, "D" is insufficient, borderline failure.
Don't you have "E"??

#### elroy

##### Imperfect Mod
I want to second lsp on the fact that it's hard to generalize the US grading system.

When I was growing up, this was the system my American school used:

A: 100-93 (excellent)
B: 92-85 (above average)
C: 84-77 (average)
D: 76-70 (below average)
F: 69-0 (failing)

Realizing that it was perhaps too strict (espeically since the passing grade at local Palestinian schools was 50, so that our failing 69 was, in their words, "19 points above average"), they later modified the system, albeit very slightly:

A: 100-90 (excellent)
B: 89-80 (above average)
C: 79-70 (average)
D: 69-65 (below average)
U: 64-0 (unsatisfactory)

The changed the F to U because they felt "unsatisfactory" sounded more pleasant than "failing." Considerate, isn't it?

Of course, the divisions get more specific with the well-known +'s and -'s, but the distinctions among those are even more complicated and varied.

Nevertheless, US grading systems are all alike in that there is no "E," at least as far as I know. I think the "E" is more of a British thing.

As for the Palestinian system, I'm not entirely sure, but from what I remember it is very much like the Israeli system Amikama described: scale of 0-10 for short quizzes and such; scale of 0-100 for larger tests and exams; 5 and 50 passing grades, respectively.

In college and university, the GPA (Grade Point Average) system is used throughout most of the United States - but again, with slight differences here and there. Generally, 4.00 GPA points is the highest you can get; anything above 3.00 is pretty good; below 3.00 and you start risking not looking so hot on your graduate school applications.

This is the system my university (Colgate University) uses:

4.33 - A+
4.00 - A
3.67 - A-
3.33 - B+
3.00 - B
2.67 - B-
2.33 - C+
2.00 - C
1.67 - D+
1.33 - D
1.00 - D-
0.00 - F

A 4.33 (A+) is virtually impossible to get so for intents and purposes a 4.00 is the highest you can get. If your cumulative GPA at the end of your collegiate career is a 3.3 or above, you graduate cum laude; if it's 3.5 or above you graduate magna cum laude; 3.8 or above and you graudate summa cum laude.

#### Aupick

##### Senior Member
Whodunit said:
France:
20 sur 20 (A) - très bien
?? sur 20 (B) - bien
?? sur 20 (C) - assez bien
?? sur 20 (D) - passable
?? sur 20 (E) - dessous de la moyenne (?)
0 sur 20 (F) - insuffisant (?)
France:
16/20 = très bien (very good)
14/20 = bien (good)
12/20 = assez bien (quite good)

10/20 is the cut off for pass/fail, but is also called the 'moyenne' (average) which shows you how pessimistic the French system is. They used to say that 20 was for the good Lord and 19 for his angels, such was the difficulty of obtaining these grades, but they're just about within reach these days. Having said that, the higher up in the education system you go, the lower the scores are (the greater the expectations...). And averages of 7 or 8 become quite common.

#### Jana337

##### Senior Member
The most elaborate grading scale I have experienced is the Danish one:
13: Is given for exceptionally independent and excellent performance

11: Is given for independent and excellent performance

10: Is given for excellent but not particularly independent performance

9: Is given for good performance, a little above average

8: Is given for average performance

7: Is given for mediocre performance, slightly below average

6: Is given for just acceptable performance (minimum pass mark)

5: Is given for hesitant and not satisfactory performance

03: Is given for very hesitant, very insufficient and unsatisfactory performance

00: Is given for completely unacceptable performance

The jump from 13 to 11 emphasises the fact that 13 is only to be given in exceptional cases. It should therefore not necessarily be compared to the top mark in other systems.

Jana

#### joensuu

##### Member
France:
20 sur 20 - Excellent
18 sur 20 - très bien
16 sur 20 - bien
14 sur 20 - assez bien
12 sur 20 - passable
<10 sur 20 - dessous de la moyenne (?)
8 sur 20 - insuffisant (?)

In France, i never see the letters used as marks after primary school.

#### alc112

##### Senior Member
Mita said:

In Chile our grades are "blue" or "red". The red ones are very bad... if you have a red average grade in three subjects, you have to repeat.
Don't you have "E"??
our grades here in Argentina also use red color for the worst grades. I mean 1, 2 and 3. For the others, the people who put them use blue or black.
Saludos

#### Cairenn

##### Senior Member
in Croatia:

5 = ODLIČAN [excellent]
4 = VRLO DOBAR [very good]
3 = DOBAR [good]
2 = DOVOLJAN [acceptable]
1 = NEDOVOLJAN [failing]

##### Senior Member
Hello everybody,

Although Fernando already posted the Spanish grade system and it is crystal clear, I'd like to add a couple of things you may find curious:

Our marks range from 0 to 10. To barely pass, you need to get a 5, anything below that means you need to repeat the course or resit the exam, usually in September, before the start of the next course.

In practically every subject (arts or science) you can get a 10 and:

- when your average grades for the last course in high school are close to 10, you may get a "matrícula de honor" (I don't know how to say it in English). It is a sort of academic honour, and the pragmatic part of it is that, should you decide to go to College, you don't have to pay the tuition for the first year (that is, in public universities).

- when you get a 10 in College for any subject, you also get a "matrícula de honor" and you get one subject for free in you next course's tuition.

#### Philippa

##### Senior Member
timpeac said:
At British university you have
1st* "starred first" - 80+% -outstanding
1st - 70-80% excellent
2-1 - "two-one" - 60-70% - good
2-2 "two-two" - 50-60% - fair
3rd bare pass - 40-50%
fail - <40%
Again the percentages don't mean very much. For example, if you wrote something that was absolutely fantastic that even your tutor was in awe of it might get 85%. At least that is how it worked for arts subjects at my university. I don't know how it worked for subjects such as maths where there are right or wrong answers and so you could theoretically get 100% I suppose.
Hi Tim! I've never heard of starred firsts!! At my Uni it was 1st, 2.1, 2.2, 3rd, Pass degree (i.e. not honours) and Fail. I agree that the percentages don't mean much. Our finals papers were impossible (I did well and all my marks were around 50%)

Schools here give a variety of letter and number marks. Schools can have their own system - sometimes it includes separate marks for effort and achievement. I put different combinations of ticks, pluses and minuses in my mark book for me to refer to and write comments for the pupils.

In A level exams (17 and 18 year olds) there are pass grades from A (best) to E (worst). In GCSE exams (16 year olds) there are pass grades from A (best) to G (worst) and A* (even better than best!), but A* to C are often considered passes and the other grades fails.

Saludos
Philippa

#### Sev

##### Senior Member
Aupick said:
France:
16/20 = très bien (very good)
14/20 = bien (good)
12/20 = assez bien (quite good)
joensuu said:
France:
20 sur 20 - Excellent
18 sur 20 - très bien
16 sur 20 - bien
14 sur 20 - assez bien
12 sur 20 - passable
<10 sur 20 - dessous de la moyenne (?)
8 sur 20 - insuffisant (?)
There is a difference here. Well it depends whether you are talking generally or if you consider the "Bac" (A-level).
Generally joensuu might be right, event if I consider him/her being a little bit severe
As for the bac, Aupick is right (and 10/20 is "passable")

#### Phryne

##### Senior Member
elroy said:
This is the system my university (Colgate University) uses:

4.33 - A+
4.00 - A

3.67 - A-
3.33 - B+
3.00 - B
......
Hi Elroy!

In my University (American) if you get an A+ you still get a 4.00 GPA. Some teachers give you an A+ and some don't even bother. What's the difference anyway?
alc112 said:
10: Sobresaliente
9: Distingudo
8 y 7: Muy Bueno
6: bueno
5 y 4: Regular
3, 2 y 1: Insuficiente
I agree with this. Although when I went to college in Argentina a 4 (was and still) is a passing grade. You need over 60% of your test/class and sometimes even 70% just to get a 4. Weird, huh...

In my highschool, though, I had to pass with a 6, or 60%. And the system was something like this:
10: Sobresaliente/outstanding ==>100%
9: Distinguido/excellent ==>90%
8: Muy Bueno/very good ==>80%
7: bueno/good==>70%
6: regular/sufficient==>60%
5 y 4: insuficiente/insufficient==>50,40%

saludos

#### Aupick

##### Senior Member
Sev said:
There is a difference here. Well it depends whether you are talking generally or if you consider the "Bac" (A-level).
Generally joensuu might be right, event if I consider him/her being a little bit severe
As for the bac, Aupick is right (and 10/20 is "passable")
Yeah, I had the bac in mind, as expressed here.

#### alc112

##### Senior Member
Phryne said:
I agree with this. Although when I went to college in Argentina a 4 (was and still) is a passing grade. You need over 60% of your test/class and sometimes even 70% just to get a 4. Weird, huh...
saludos
I copied from my Report I have in front of me.
four 10s, two 9s, thrre 8s, one 7 and one 6.
Saludos

#### joensuu

##### Member
Sev said:
There is a difference here. Well it depends whether you are talking generally or if you consider the "Bac" (A-level).
Generally joensuu might be right, event if I consider him/her being a little bit severe
As for the bac, Aupick is right (and 10/20 is "passable")
Not severe it's the main comments we could have in high school and after.. But true for the BAC ...forgot it! It's not so far away but put away from my minds bad experiences

#### Silvia B

##### Senior Member
And now the italian one!!

0-4 gravemente insufficiente

Note: sometimes it happens that someone get a 1-2-3 or even a 0 (one of my schoolmate got a 0+ once! hahah!) Depends on teacher's point of view.
Many teachers never go under 4, which is anyway, really bad.

5 insufficiente

6 sufficiente

7 discreto

8 buono

9 distinto

10 ottimo

Anyway, the "number marks" are used in high school.
Inferior grade of school use just "words" (insufficiente-suff-buono etc)

In exams (high school exams) the marks are from 60 to 100. If you get 60 points you pass your exams. To reach the score you have to sum all the scores you had in the exams (3 written - 1 oral)

At university the marks go from 18 to 30.
(18 is sufficient and 30 is excellent)

Of course if you get a mark under 60 (in high school exams) or 18 (in university's exams) you fail =(

Bye!

#### Whodunit

##### Senior Member
elroy said:
The changed the F to U because they felt "unsatisfactory" sounded more pleasant than "failing." Considerate, isn't it?
Same here! The worst grade is called "ungenügend" (not eough), but if someone gets a 6 (failing), it's just bad. I also often see teacher use 6+ (a little bit better than failed ). The most astounding grade I've ever seen was given by a teacher in elementary school: 6- (worse than failed).

#### Silvia B

##### Senior Member

We can also receive marks as 7.1/2, 6+, 8- etc.

Is it the same in other countries?

Bye!

#### Encolpius

##### Senior Member
in Hungary

5 - jeles [the best]
4 - jó
3 - közepes
2 - elégséges
1 - elégtelen [the worst]

#### emma42

##### Senior Member
When did we start having 1st* in British Universities? It didn't happen in my day (shakes walking stick).

#### timpeac

##### Senior Member
When did we start having 1st* in British Universities? It didn't happen in my day (shakes walking stick).
"A starred first" was certainly around in my day - unless it was specific to my univesity.

Edit - oh well you would already have known that I had that grading system since I see I mention it above.

#### emma42

##### Senior Member
Yes, it was to your post I was referring, Tim, me old mucker.*

*BE slang = "my old friend".

#### Blehh.

##### Member
Man, sign me up for European schooling. The grading system in the US is ridiculously strict! (The schooling system itself needs serious work.)

This is for my school: (They don't use +/- signs, I don't know why. =/ )
A: 90-100
B: 80-89
C: 75-79
D: 70-74
F: 69 or below

70 is passing.

#### Lemminkäinen

##### Senior Member

Elementary school (6-12 years old):

No grades. Teachers sometimes give feedback with comments such as "good", "very good", "excellent", but the choice of comments varies from teacher to teacher.

Ungdomsskolen (13-15 years old) and videregående skole (16-18 years old):

6 - More than average. Independence and distinguishment.
5 - More than average. A little less independence than a 6.
4 - Average or a little more than average.
3 - A little below average.
2 - Below average. Many faults, and a hesitant approach to the subject.
1 - Below average. Very weak and insufficient (or none) måloppnåelse ("reach of goals" - there are specific goals for each subject that students should reach).

It's possible with +'s and -'s on tests and papers (but not on the final grades), and it's also possible to get a "sliding grade", e.g. 4/3.
The order is: 3, 3+, 3/4, 4/3, 4-, 4 &c.
This is more widely used at ungdomsskolen, but the usage depends on the school and the teacher.

In addition, there are given characters in orden ("order", depends on whether a student forgets books, doing his homework &c.) and atferd ("behaviour", depends on the student's behaviour in and outside class).

These characters are based on the old grading system (before 1999):

G (god) - good; regular order and behaviour
Ng (nokså god) - somewhat good; clear breaches on regular order and behavious)
Lg (lite god) - little good; in extraordinary cases with large deviations of regular order and behaviour

Universities:

A - fremragende (excellent)
B - meget god (very good)
C - god (good)
D - brukbar (satisfactory)
E -tilstrekkelig (sufficient)
F - ikke bestått (fail)

#### Maja

##### Senior Member
In Serbia ->
Primary and Secundary school:

1 - NEDOVOLJAN (failing)
2 - DOVOLJAN (acceptable)
3 - DOBAR (good)
4 - VRLO DOBAR (very good)
5 - ODLIČAN (excellent)

University:

5 - failing
7 -
8 -
9 -
10 - excellent

#### tvdxer

##### Senior Member
The thread about parents protesting grades or whatsuch has inspired me to ask all of you a question I, being a university student, consider very interesting:

In the U.S., most high schools and universities primarily use the A-F system. Students are assigned one of the letter grades based on what percentage of assignment and test points they have received (it is very common to give different weights to assignments, tests, quizzes, etc., however). In my experience the most typical scale is this:

A, A-: 90 - 100%
B, B+, B-: 80 - 89%
C, C+, C-: 70 - 79%
D, D+, D-: 60 - 69%
F: <60%

Where a grade becomes a + or - depends heavily on the teacher. In some classes, a B might become a B+ at 86.0%, while in others you might need 88.0% to get a B+.

There is no E. It seems more convenient to automatically go to "F", for "failure". You do not pass a class if you receive an F (generally for the semester).

At one point in time, a "C" meant "average", but today, due to a phenomenon known as "grade inflation", "C"'s are undesirable for most students. B+'s, B's, and B-'s are most often the average today .

A grade point average, one of the main benchmarks of academic achievement in high school (the other being standardized tests, such as the ACT and SAT) and college, is computed as follows (at least in my personal experience):

A: 4.0
A-: 3.7
B+: 3.3
B: 3.0
B-: 2.7
C+: 2.3
C: 2.0
C-: 1.7
D+: 1.3
D: 1.0
D-: 0.7
F: 0.0

Grades in each class are multiplied by the number of credits the class is worth, and divided by the total number of credits earned. For example:

Calculus : B- : 2.7 : 4 credits
Microbiology : C+ : 2.3 : 4 credits
Spanish : A : 4.0 : 4 credits
Organ Recital : A : 4.0 : 2 credits
Physical Conditioning : C : 2.0 : 2 credits

Total 16 credits

[(2.7 * 4) + (2.3 * 4) + (4.0 * 4) + (4.0 * 2) + (2.0 * 2)] / 16 = 3.0, "B" average

Some classes can be taken on a simple "pass / fail" basis. I've never taken such a class, and am not sure about the following, but I think the credits earned by that class will be added to the student's cumulative number of credits, but it will not be computed into the GPA.

How does your country's system work? (No, I don't expect anybody to give as detailed as an explanation as above)

#### tvdxer

##### Senior Member
Wow, I should have searched!

But let's bring this topic back...

#### Etcetera

##### Senior Member
The Russian system (used noth at schools and universities) is as follows:
5 = отлично = excellent
4 = хорошо = good
3 = удовлетворительно = satisfactory
2 = плохо = poor
*1 = очень плохо = very poor.
The last mark isn't used at universities at all, and is very seldom used at schools.

#### GEmatt

##### Senior Member
In Switzerland, it's the opposite of Germany:

6 - Very good
5 - Good
4 - Satisfactory
3 - Unsatisfactory
2 - Poor
1 - Very poor

Half-grades are in use as well ("4-5" or "4.5"), and in some places, smaller increments are used, such as "4-", which is not 4 "minus", but between a 4 and a 4-5.

My high school was similar, but stuck a "7" at the top of the chart, for "Excellent".

#### roxcyn

##### Senior Member
Nope. Not in the US.
Some schools use "E" for F and it looks like some schools use "U" also. I would like to comment on schools in USA. The basic grading system is as follows:

90-100 A
80-89 B
70-79 C
60-69 D
59 or below F

As you have seem from the various posts many schools manipulate those basic numbers, some of the numbers higher. Since schools in USA vary from state the state and school district to school district, each school district sets the grade system.

One school system in my city gives students holistic scores for writing and speaking (for another language):

8--9: Exceeds proficiency
6--7: Meets Proficiency
5--6: Working towards Proficiency
3--4 Need for intervention
2 and below No acceptable

The holistic scores are converted into numbers, for example most writings and speakings are worth 25 points. So a score of 9 would be 25, 8--9 would be 24. The students need to have at least an 80% in reading, writing, listening and speaking at the end of the class to move onto the next level. If they do not have those levels they must take summer school or may repeat the class so that they can become proficient---otherwise they do not get course credit for the class and will not more on in the language.

#### roxcyn

##### Senior Member
Hi Elroy!

In my University (American) if you get an A+ you still get a 4.00 GPA. Some teachers give you an A+ and some don't even bother. What's the difference anyway?
I agree with this. Although when I went to college in Argentina a 4 (was and still) is a passing grade. You need over 60% of your test/class and sometimes even 70% just to get a 4. Weird, huh...
Refering to my last post I would say the same goes for universities. Each university in the States sets what their grade point system will be. The "standard" system is:

A 4.0
B 3.0
C 2.0
D 1.0
F (E or U): 0.0

Many schools have the pluses and minuses: A+, A-, B+, etc.

The difference between an A and A+, A+ would be that you got 100% or more (especially if there was extra credit offered in the class). The universities I have atteneded never gave A+ at all. As I said the grade system depends on the university.

#### Reina140

##### Banned
My school was very strict.

A=100-93
B=92-85
C=84-77
D=76-70
F=69 and lower

We didn't really apply the + & -'s when grading but the plus is the highest number in each category and the minus is the lowest. For ejemplo:

100=A+
93=A-

92=B+
85=B-

84=C+
77=C-

76=D+
70=D-

#### curly

##### Senior Member
For Irish secondary schools we have no comments on whether a particular grade is good or not, except that under 40% is a fail.

Junior Cycle

A = 85%-100%
B = 70%-84%
C = 55%-69%
D = 40%-54%

E = 25-39%
F = 10-25%
NG = under 10%

The senior cycle just splits those grades into A1s A2s etc.

Any pass grade at higher level is an honour and an A at Ordinary is an honour.

We get an automatic 10% if we take our test in Irish (meaning we can get 100% quite easily if we speak Irish) are there any other countries that give a bonus percentage like this?

#### Thomsen

##### Senior Member
A facet of this topic would be what expectations are for good grades. In America students often acheive and are gladly given by teachers A+ for good work. In fact if a teacher finds every student excellent he could award them all A+. This has almost never happened I imagine, but it is not impossible. I was told by my French teacher years ago that no French student receives a 20. A 20 is perfect and no student is perfect.

Is that still true? Is it true in other systems?

#### Reina140

##### Banned
For Irish secondary schools we have no comments on whether a particular grade is good or not, except that under 40% is a fail.
We get an automatic 10% if we take our test in Irish (meaning we can get 100% quite easily if we speak Irish) are there any other countries that give a bonus percentage like this?
Wow, you only have to be above a 40% to pass, my God, that's 29 points lower than in my school. And you get extra credit just for speaking the language you've known since birth? Well, definitely not in my school, we didn't have any bonuses like that. The only time we'd usually have any bonus, would be an optional essay at the end of a test usually only worth about 5 points.

#### maxiogee

##### Banned
And you get extra credit just for speaking the language you've known since birth?
Hah, would it were so!
The Irish-language-speaking population of Ireland is tiny. Less than 5% would be able to conduct a half-decent conversation on a random topic of current affairs.
We are an English-speaking nation.

#### Reina140

##### Banned
Hah, would it were so!
The Irish-language-speaking population of Ireland is tiny. Less than 5% would be able to conduct a half-decent conversation on a random topic of current affairs.
We are an English-speaking nation.
Oh, well I was unaware that not many knew the language. I knew that Irish people spoke English, but I thought that they also knew Irish. Okay, well that makes much more sense then.

#### curly

##### Senior Member
I'd also point out that a higher minimum pass percentage doesn't really mean anything, tests are supposed to be designed so that the majority of students get the "average" mark aren't they?

#### Reina140

##### Banned
I'd also point out that a higher minimum pass percentage doesn't really mean anything, tests are supposed to be designed so that the majority of students get the "average" mark aren't they?
In our different grading systems, here's the difference.

Here's the results of a 20 question test:

Ireland 14/20=70%==B

My school 14/20=70%==D- (one point above failing)

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