Grammar: Kendine

[kenjoluma]

Merhaba. I have a question about 'kendine'.

Bizim evde herkesin kendine göre bir hobisi var.

In here, I find 'kendine göre' very strange. 'Kendiye göre' değil mi? Neden 'kendine göre'???

Ali'ye söyledim.
Kore'ye gideceğim.

See? Am I right? But why kendi is an exception?

 

[Rallino]

Yes, that's a good question. I don't know why, but it is considered a genitive form, because it receives "n" in all cases, just like a genitive would. I mean, for example, the phrase: the house of Peter would be: Peter'in evi, and in accusative it would be:Peter'in evini (not: eviyi). The same thing for "kendi", think of it as a genitive: kendini (not: kendiyi). This is also true for the other cases: kendine, kendinde, kendinden, kendinin.


Ali'ye söyledim.
Kore'ye gideceğim.

 

[kenjoluma]

So... kendi is genetive form gramatically, even if it actually is not?

I know kendisine is correct, of couse, due to '-si-'. I just didn't know kendi also takes '-n-', not '-y-'...


I doubt if kendi is a combination of two different words in a long time ago... or kend + i, or something... and people started treating kendi as one word... I don't know. That's how I'm going to convince myself with this. Is there anyone who knows the etymology of kendi out there?

 

[Rallino]

So... kendi is genetive form gramatically, even if it actually is not?

Well that was just my interpretation. I mean I made it up just to make it look easy hehe, I'm not sure how to explain why we add the buffer "n"...

 

[shafaq]

Merhaba. I have a question about 'kendine'.




In here, I find 'kendine göre' very strange. 'Kendiye göre' değil mi? Neden 'kendine göre'???



See? Am I right? But why kendi is an exception?

In origins (Asiatic dialects); as well as in some regions in Turkey; it is as you assumed . In Adana's native dialect (Adana ağzı); people say "babayın evi" instead of "babanın evi" = house of your father.
and
"kendiye sakla !" instead of "kendine sakla!" = Keep for yourself!

 

[er targyn]

I think kendi was reanalysed as kend+i.

 

[Black4blue]

There are some exception in some words, especially some pronouns.
Kendi+e = kendine (not kendiye)
O+a = Ona (not oya)
Hepsi+e = Hepsine (not hepsiye)