Many genealogists (and I am an amateur one) have begun stressing the use of "Grand Nephew" for the situation you describe (at least here in North America) because it is emminently logical. The use of "Great" niece or "Great" Nephew is the only instance of illogical titles in a family tree hierarchy.Why is there no explanantion for the word grand nephew in the oxford dictionary. Our niece had a son and in england he is called our great nephew but in America he is called Grand nephew. Which is correct?
Well, what can I say? It's obviously another difference beween AE and BE. The term "great nephew" has been around a long time and perhaps the OED has not yet caught up with the logic of "grand" nephew.In England though there is no such person as a grand nephew? The word is not even in the oxford dictionary.
I then found great-nephew (in the entry for "great"): the definition given isThe son of a nephew or niece.
I'm now exceedingly confused!a son's or daughter's nephew
The problem with keeping it "uniform" is that it isn't. Many people refer to "grand" uncles and "grand" aunts while others of you refer to them as "great". The problem with using "great" for a once-removed uncle is that when you get to the "great, greats", you've lost track of the generations. "Grand" ancestors are two generations above you (your grandparents and their siblings). "Great-grand" ancestors are three generations above you (your great-grandparents, the parents of your grandparents). To use "great uncle" for your grandfather's brother skews everything. Using that logic, our grandparents should be our "greatparents".I vote for keeping the English language uniform at this point...it would avoid creating more confusion than already exists...
Thanks so much for this post. I use a little different logic: my "grand niece" is my sister's granddaughter. Besides, no one I know of says "great daughter", so why would they say "great niece"?Many genealogists (and I am an amateur one) have begun stressing the use of "Grand Nephew" for the situation you describe (at least here in North America) because it is emminently logical. The use of "Great" niece or "Great" Nephew is the only instance of illogical titles in a family tree hierarchy.
Your parents' parents are your "grand"parents and you are their "grand"child. You are two generations apart. Your grandparents' parents are your "great"-grandparents. You are three generations apart. It thus makes no sense at all to have a nephew who is two generations removed from you to be your "Great" Nephew. He is your "Grand" Nephew and his son would be your "Great"-Grand Nephew.
I'm glad you asked this question because your mostly hear people refer to their "great" nephew and when I explain the lack of logic behind it, I see the lightbulbs come on. As soon as I explain it, people tell me it makes absolute sense to use "grand" instead of "great".
And, by the way, most genealogy programs (either on computer or on paper), here in North America, refer to these relationships as "grand" and not "great".
Absolutely! That's what I teach them to use when they refer to me. It's so much easier to explain to them that since their mother's sister is their aunt, their grandmother's sister is their grandaunt, and their great grandmother's sister is their great grandaunt. Simplicity itself!!!Welcome to the forums, lewisld7729.
Do you also say "grand(-)uncle" and "grand(-)aunt"?