Has your country ever invaded other country or been invaded?

Pedro y La Torre

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English (Ireland)
Well, no Norwegian, Swedish or Danish are spoken in Normandy, Sicily, Russia, Dublin or the Danelaw. For whatever reason (low numbers, inferiority of the written culture, I do not know), Vikings/Norsemen did not seem very interested in speaking with natives or spreading their languages. I know there are Scandinavian loanwords in English and place names. It would surprise to me if Gaelic would not have loanwords from Scandinavian languages (via Ireland or the Scottish isles).
It did indeed. And reasonable numbers of Scandinavians settled in what became Scotland. Places like Dublin, at one point, were almost wholly Scandinavian. But for whatever reason, their language disappeared while Gaelic soldiered on (although English has now largely killed off what remains of Gaelic save in certain specific areas).
 
  • eno2

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    Dutch-Flemish
    The villager Lukas to Eleni in the film Eleni about civil war and the Greek ELLAS communists 'invading their mountain village Lia: <It finally came tot his, we have been invaded by everybody, now we have been invaded by ourselves.> Έγινε κι αυτό. Όλοι ήρθαν να μας σκλαβώσουν . Τώρα σκλαβονόμαστε μονάχοι μας.
     

    Pedro y La Torre

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    English (Ireland)
    The Chinese are stuck between a rock and a hard place. If similar protests had broken out in Mainland China, the tanks would surely have been sent in long ago (over a million Uighurs are currently locked up in gulags so as to be "re-eductated in Communist principles"). But Hong Kong is the model that the PRC is looking to sell to Taiwan (in between regular bouts of threatening devastating war if Taiwan should ever declare outright independence). If the Chinese Army intervenes in Hong Kong, the model for reincorporating Taiwan dies with it. As (in all probability) does Hong Kong's economy.
     

    Frank78

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    German
    But Hong Kong is the model that the PRC is looking to sell to Taiwan (in between regular bouts of threatening devastating war if Taiwan should ever declare outright independence). If the Chinese Army intervenes in Hong Kong, the model for reincorporating Taiwan dies with it. As (in all probability) does Hong Kong's economy.
    Why should Taiwan declare independence? It IS China. It would be completely against their identity.
     

    Pedro y La Torre

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    English (Ireland)
    Why should Taiwan declare independence? It IS China. It would be completely against their identity.
    The major split in Taiwan politics is between those who see Taiwan as part of China and are content with the current situation where the PRC claims to govern the whole of China but only exercises control on the "mainland", and those who think that Taiwan should declare independence and forget about the rest of China.

    Hong Kong protests give Taiwanese president Tsai Ing-wen a boost as elections approach
     

    Rondivu

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    Español
    The Spanish stripped, looted, raped and exterminated en masse. Certainly the most brutal colonizers around in the modern era excluding perhaps Hitler's historically brief foray into Eastern Europe.
    If Spain killed so many people in South America, how come there is still a lot of indigenous population in Spanish speaking countries and in North America the majority of people are all white, how many millions were killed by the English?
    The result is that while Latin America has an enormous mestizo (and indigenous) population, in the USA the few remaining natives are still concentrated in "Reservations".

    As early as 1512, the Laws of Burgos regulated the behavior of the Spaniards in the New World forbidding the ill-treatment of indigenous people and limiting the power of the colonists. Which other European colonial power did that? It is true that these laws were not always followed across all American territories but at least they reflect the will of the Spanish colonial government of the time to protect the rights of the native population.


    The place is still largely a basket case to this day, and much of that can be attributed to the toxic legacy of Spanish colonization
    The current delay in Latin America with respect to North America, as many people think, is not due to a culture of entrepreneurism and science that supposedly existed in British but not Spanish power. Mexico City was notoriously larger, more dynamic and richer than Washington at the time of the American independence and the salaries of the indigenous were higher than in the West. The contrast is coherent with the quite higher number of printing presses, universities, scientific publications and hospitals documented in the Spanish Empire.
     
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    Frank78

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    German
    Mexico City was notoriously larger, more dynamic and richer than Washington at the time of the American independence and the salaries of the indigenous were higher than in the West.
    I didn't know Washington, D.C. had existed at the time of the American independence. :D
     

    Frank78

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    German
    I take it you've never heard about the Second War of American Independence (1812- 1815).
    You neither wrote "second" nor did you mention the word "war" nor is it an established historical term.

    The American independence was 1776 even though the "first" war of independence lasted longer.
     

    ewie

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    English English
    I take it you've never heard about the Second War of American Independence (1812- 1815).
    That's called the War of 1812 in the English-speaking world.
    In the 19th century, the Canadian historian William Kingsford was only half-joking when he commented, “The events of the War of 1812 have not been forgotten in England for they have never been known there.” In the 20th, another Canadian historian remarked that the War of 1812 is “an episode in history that makes everybody happy, because everybody interprets it differently...the English are happiest of all, because they don’t even know it happened.”
    Very true.
     

    L'irlandais

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    Ireland: English-speaking ♂
    Well it may not be public knowledge, and certainly was over shadowed by the Napoleonic Wars here in Europe. But anybody with an interest in Regimental history or firearms will be aware of the conflict, even if they view it differently from our English speaking friends on the other side of the Pond. In 1813 the East India Company lost its monopoly in India, and soon they had bigger fish to fry.
     
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    L'irlandais

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    Ireland: English-speaking ♂

    symposium

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    Italian - Italy
    I didn't know Washington, D.C. had existed at the time of the American independence. :D
    I had assumed he was talking about the Independance of the Spanish colonies in America around 1810, and not the Independance of the British colonies in America in 1776...
     
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