A friend of mine who is learning english asked me what the difference is between saying "I have a car" and "I have got a car". I was completely unable to point at any sematical or other differences, and was hoping maybe someone could help me out, with both identifying the difference and perhaps give the equivalents in italian?
Have vs have got
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jimreilly
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American English
cecil said:
Cecil is quite right about "I've got" instead of "I have got". It's a little more casual than "I have" which is a direct way of indicating possession. ("Ho una macchina"). "I've got" can mean, aside from simple possession, that I've just gotten one, perhaps for some particular purpose, e.g. I needed a car for a trip, my friend offered to loan me one, so "I've got a car for the trip". So while it means "Ho una macchina" it can also mean (sort of) "Ho trovato una macchina". Hope this helps, my Italian is REALLY rusty.
Also, you would be more likely to write "I have a car" and to say "I've got a car".
Red Frog
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England, English
I was always told that 'I have' is American English and 'I've got' is more British English, which means in the basic sense there probably wouldn't be any difference in Italian. (The basic sense meaning just possession, rather than jimreilly's interesting nuance above about having found something.)
shamblesuk
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England, English
Care here, 'I have GOT to get to bed' is nothing to do with 'I have got....' in the sense being discussed here.
It is the equivalent of 'Devo andare a letto......' rather than of 'avere'
It is the equivalent of 'Devo andare a letto......' rather than of 'avere'
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shamblesuk
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England, English
Ed adesso, devo andare per forza a letto. E' tardi!
panjandrum
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English-Ireland (top end)
"I've got" would not be very common in all parts of the UK.Red Frog said:
HERE IS A LINK to a recent discussion of this subject in English-Only.
carrickp
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One other subtle point: You can use "have got" for emphasis or contrast:
"Are you flying your own plane to the seashore this summer."
"No. I don't have the plane any more. But I have got a car, so I'm going to drive."
"Are you flying your own plane to the seashore this summer."
"No. I don't have the plane any more. But I have got a car, so I'm going to drive."
Mago-Merlino
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Italy Italian
Usare solamente "got" si può/non si può?
Per esempio :
1) "You've got powerful attacks!"
2) "You got powerful attacks!"
Se la risposta è si, (perkè mi pare di averlo sentito) immagino che il "got" da solo sia molto informale, quindi se devo riportare la frase per iscritto dovrò usare per forza "have got" oppure anche sulla carte si può optareper la seconda versione?
Per esempio :
1) "You've got powerful attacks!"
2) "You got powerful attacks!"
Se la risposta è si, (perkè mi pare di averlo sentito) immagino che il "got" da solo sia molto informale, quindi se devo riportare la frase per iscritto dovrò usare per forza "have got" oppure anche sulla carte si può optareper la seconda versione?
francefrance
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italy italian
Hai ragione, anch'io l'ho sentito spesso, ma solo nella lingua parlata o in testi che utilizzavano un registro informale che la ricalcava.
Però se proprio vuoi snellire la frase, usa have senza got...
fitter.happier
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Italian
Sì, può essere utilizzato in sostituzione di have got, ma è molto colloquiale. Un esempio che mi viene in mente è "nice eyes you got there!" oppure "I got a couple of words for you"
Comunque, come dice francefrance, per snellire la frase è meglio usare have da solo
Comunque, come dice francefrance, per snellire la frase è meglio usare have da solo
Sì, può essere utilizzato in sostituzione di have got, ma è molto colloquiale. Un esempio che mi viene in mente è "nice eyes you got there!" oppure "I got a couple of words for you"
Comunque, come dice francefrance, per snellire la frase è meglio usare have da solo
Go to:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/get
Scroll down to "usage note" as you will find it particularly helpful.
Regards
Leo
shardaneng
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italian
Hi.
I have a doubt that doesn't have anything to do with your doubt but it regards your sentence so...I hope you don't mind.
"I've some doubt about..."
In this case weren't you supposed to use these forms: "I've got a doubt" or "I have a doubt"?
I mean, isn't the contraction of the verb "to have" impossible without "got"?
I have a doubt that doesn't have anything to do with your doubt but it regards your sentence so...I hope you don't mind.
"I've some doubt about..."
In this case weren't you supposed to use these forms: "I've got a doubt" or "I have a doubt"?
I mean, isn't the contraction of the verb "to have" impossible without "got"?
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Einstein
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UK, English
I have a doubt or I have some doubts.
You can use I've without got, it sounds a little more formal. I wouldn't avoid got at all costs as entrapta says, but it's not essential.
You can use I've without got, it sounds a little more formal. I wouldn't avoid got at all costs as entrapta says, but it's not essential.
shardaneng
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italian
I have always thought you couldn't (use I've without got in cases like this one). My grammar says for example:
I've got a sister (right)
I have a sister (right)
I've a sister (wrong)
Should I throw my grammar away?
shardaneng
Senior Member
italian
Scusami, non ha detto: "You can use I've without got"?
Vuol dire puoi usarlo anche senza got, no?
Vuol dire puoi usarlo anche senza got, no?
Einstein
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UK, English
La contrazione con "got" è informale ed è usata nell'inglese parlato, soprattutto BE; in AE, particolarmente nell'interrogativo e nel negativo, si tende invece ad usare "do" (Do you have a dog?) e questa forma è ormai diffusa anche in GB. Comunque non è sbagliato, solo meno usato, dire I've a few doubts. Se lo dici nessuno ti spara!
I hope we are not in trouble continuing with this, but below is a link for you. By the way, sometimes it is advisable to avoid using "got" as it can be overdone, but I cannot ever imagine saying or hearing: I have you under my skin.I have always thought you couldn't (use I've without got in cases like this one). My grammar says for example:
I've got a sister (right)
I have a sister (right)
I've a sister (wrong)
Should I throw my grammar book away? No, but I know where you're coming from!
(I've got you under my skin.)havegot.htm
Ciao
Leo
p.s. People will definitely say "I've a sister" wrong or not!!
shardaneng
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italian
I hope we are not in trouble continuing with this, but below is a link for you. By the way, sometimes it is advisable to avoid using "got" as it can be overdone, but I cannot ever imagine saying or hearing: I have you under my skin.
havegot.htm
Ciao
Leo
p.s. People will definitely say "I've a sister" wrong or not!!
Scusate ragazzi, ma continuo ad essere confuso. Nel link che mi ha fornito Leo57 c'è quest'esempio:
There is no contracted form for 'Have' in the positive form. The contracted form is used for 'have got'
Example: I have a red bicycle. OR I've got a red bicycle. NOT I've a red bicycle.
Se questa regola è valida per la bicicletta, suppongo sia valida anche per i dubbi, o le sorelle. Dunque, Einstein mi dice che non è sbagliato, è solo poco usato. Questo link e il mio libro di grammatica dicono che non è corretto.
Ora, io sono consapevole che nel linguaggio parlato, così in inglese come in italiano, non si rispettano parecchie regole grammaticali, però (essendo io un quasi laureato in lingue) so che per certi professori (madrelingua) certi errori sono da evitare. Per esempio, in un esame scritto ci sono esercizi dove devi scegliere la forma corretta. Se io scelgo "I've two brothers" invece che "I have/ I've got two brothers" questo potrebbe venire valutato come un errore. Dunque, io sono consapevole che nessuno mi spara se uso questa forma, ma il punto è: è grammaticalmente corretto oppure no?
Se io, futuro insegnante di inglese, dovessi fare una lezione su questo verbo, dovrei dire che è grammaticalmente corretto o che si può usare tranquillamente nel linguaggio parlato senza che nessuno faccia obiezioni?
p.s. Einstein you have helped me many times that's why I almost trust you more than my grammar book. So please don't take offence if I'm too picky.
Einstein
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UK, English
Se fai una lezione sul verbo have è meglio insegnare che la contrazione si accompagna con got. Ai principianti devi insegnare le forme più correnti. E, dopotutto, cos'è una regola se non una descrizione di come generalmente si usa la lingua?
Il mio punto è che le "regole" vere e proprie riguardano l'uso dei tempi, la costruzione della frase ecc. Sull'uso preciso di una contrazione nell'inglese parlato possiamo essere un po' meno fiscali e concordo con quello che dice Leo57.
Il mio punto è che le "regole" vere e proprie riguardano l'uso dei tempi, la costruzione della frase ecc. Sull'uso preciso di una contrazione nell'inglese parlato possiamo essere un po' meno fiscali e concordo con quello che dice Leo57.
shardaneng
Senior Member
italian
Ok thank you .
Hi there
I do realise that Einstein has put your mind at rest but I just wanted to apologise for not being clear enough. I sent the link to confirm that your grammar book was indeed correct! However, it does happen that these "rules" are forgotten in colloquial language (if they were ever known in the first place, that is.) I am really not sure if I would say or do say: I've a ... instead of "I've got a..." but I will pay attention and see if I do.
(My language can be just as sloppy as the next person's when I'm rabbiting on to my friends.)Ciao
Leo
shardaneng
Senior Member
italian
Hi there
I do realise that Einstein has put your mind at rest but I just wanted to apologise for not being clear enough. I sent the link to confirm that your grammar book was indeed correct! However, it does happen that these "rules" are forgotten in colloquial language (if they were ever known in the first place, that is.) I am really not sure if I would say or do say: I've a ... instead of "I've got a..." but I will pay attention and see if I do.
Ciao
Leo
Unfortunately I had just burnt my book before you gave me that link
By the way, I know that nobody speaks like the queen, probably not even the queen herself, I mean, following all the rules. But that is what is requested in exams and, since sometimes I help some friends of mine with English, I want to be sure I'm not telling them something wrong and I want to be precise about what is grammatically correct and what is only accepted in everyday conversation.
That's why I'm the biggest fan of this site, to improve beyond the university's teaching. (I'm not sure about the last sentence, but I liked the way it sounds.)
My two cents. And I'm not a grammarian, by any means...
Even if we do often hear "I've doubts about the whole thing." I don't think it's correct. All you have to do is try and say it in the third person "He's doubts about the whole thing." and you can see it's not right.
Even if we do often hear "I've doubts about the whole thing." I don't think it's correct. All you have to do is try and say it in the third person "He's doubts about the whole thing." and you can see it's not right.
Einstein
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UK, English
Certainly He's without got means He is, but in the other persons there's no ambiguity. I don't particularly want to promote using I've without got, I'm just saying that it can happen when speaking quickly and that people who have learnt the rules shouldn't be shocked; I don't see it as a big mistake, as them was would be.
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