Hindi: deer

Discussion in 'Indo-Iranian Languages' started by albondiga, Apr 8, 2009.

  1. albondiga Senior Member

    Hi all,

    Shabdkosh has मृग, हरिण, and हिरण for "deer". Are these referring to more than one animal? If not, which word is most commonly used in colloquial speech to refer to a deer?

  2. lcfatima Senior Member

    In a teapot
    English USA
    I have heard heeran as well as heerni. I thought it was a long "i".

    So who is the husband of the heerni, a heer?
  3. Faylasoof Senior Member

    Plato's Republic
    English (UK) & Urdu (Luckhnow), Hindi
    Fatimah, in both Hindi and Urdu we commonly say <hiran ہرن > for male and <hirnii ہرنی> for female – both have a short middle <i>.
    .. and I know this is a Hindi thread but since we also have Urduphonic visitors I might as well give you the other names we use in Urdu for this animal: <aahoo
    آہو> and < ghazaal غزال > - mostly in poetry and literary prose.
  4. BP. Senior Member

    F, I've never been able to wrap my mind around to classification differences (genotypic or phenotypic or both) of deers and gazelles, so proceed to call the former hiran or aahoo and the latter ghazaal.
  5. Faylasoof Senior Member

    Plato's Republic
    English (UK) & Urdu (Luckhnow), Hindi
    BP, all of my Urdu-Hindi (and Farsi) dictionaries seem to give hiran / ghazaal / aahoo as synonyms! Hence my post.
  6. BP. Senior Member

    no hay problemo, sinor, no hay problemo. There were two names in English so I thought (and still do) there must be biological differences.
  7. panjabigator

    panjabigator Senior Member

    غریب الوطن
    Am. English
    Fay (do you mind that I shortened your name?) and BP, I believe they are all the same genus. But in English, deer and gazelles are different, so perhaps this is something we should investigate more.
  8. Illuminatus Senior Member

    Mumbai, India
    India, Hindi, English, Marathi
    hiran is the commonly used term for deer, while hirni is hiran's wife ;)

    harin is the Marathi word for deer, I guess.

    Mrig is the Sanskrit word, which finds itself in terms like kastoori-mrig (musk-deer) and mrig-trishNa (mirage).
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  9. lcfatima Senior Member

    In a teapot
    English USA
    Oh, silly me. Since often that -n or -ni morpheme makes something feminine, I had just classified it as female.

    Kya hirni ke bacche ke liye koi khaas lafz hota hai?
  10. BP. Senior Member

    Just call him aahoo zaada! <-Couldn't help it, sorry!
  11. bakshink Senior Member

    "Meimna" should be fine or bachhRRa...
    Dear Bp
    aahoo-zaada to thhoda "zyada" hi ho gaya!!
  12. bakshink Senior Member

    There are many types of deer in the Indian Subcontinent. Hog Deer, Axis Deer, Barking Deer but he one known as Hiran or Mrig is I think spotted deer or Cheetal. Some others are Chinkara, Barasingha.
    The female is called doe and the young ones fawn
    Mrig trishna is also called Mrig marichika
    Another beautiful word in Hindi is Mrig nayani (Doe-eyed) Used for a female having beautiful eyes
  13. BP. Senior Member

    From my very limited veterenary knowledge, maimna is reserved for lamb, and bachhRa for the young of a larger grazing mammal like cow or buffalo. Others are just -ka bachcha.
  14. bakshink Senior Member

    Dear BPji,
    English is a very rich language we all will agree.
    What's the word for a male elephant?
    Bull? Am I right? The female is called a cow elephant and the baby, a calf.
    They can have an apple, a pineapple and a custard apple and many more of which I don't know.
    Why should then we must have an exact word for every living and non-living thing?
    In the absence of an exact word quite often we use a word that nearly conveys sense.
    Rather than using iska bachcha, uska bachcha, if I say "Jungle mein Papa Hiran, Mummy Hiran apne meimne ke saath ghaas char rahe thhe", I think no child or his parents will object to my choice of the words.
    Does in this context "Hiranee" appear to be a surrogate mother of the poor meimna being spoken about?:D
  15. Illuminatus Senior Member

    Mumbai, India
    India, Hindi, English, Marathi
    It is not a question of what word you choose to use in a particular context. It is a question of what millions of speakers use in that context.

    I could say something like: Jungle mein Hiran aur Hiran apne suputra ke saath ghoom rahe the. Of course people will laugh.
  16. Faylasoof Senior Member

    Plato's Republic
    English (UK) & Urdu (Luckhnow), Hindi
    There are two / three terms used in Hindi-Urdu for a fawn:

    بره bara / barra, [masc.] = lamb / kid / fawn / Aries. --- Persian-Urdu (I prefer the second - underlined).

    .. and

    ھِرنَوٹاहिरनौटा hirnauTā / ہَرنوٹاहरनौटा harnauTā[masc.] --- Hindi-Urdu

    aur janaab dostaan-e-azeez,
    'ullu ke bachche ko hum kyaa kahte hai.n? woh to ek gaalii samjhii jaatii hai.
    bechaara bequSoor 'ullu!

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