Hi everyone!
Why is "in" followed by the Dativ case if "abstellen" indicates a object moving?
Thanks a lot!
Why is "in" followed by the Dativ case if "abstellen" indicates a object moving?
Thanks a lot!
In einer Garage abstellen
- Thread starter Princess Banana
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I had never seen it from that perspective. Makes perfect sense. Also danke für die rasche Antwort 
I think it's one of the cases that are not overly intuitive. If you use "stellen" instead of "abstellen", you need accusative:
in die Garage stellen.
in die Garage stellen.
What would be the difference between the 2 expressions? I knew "in die Garage stellen" but "in der Garage abstellen" confused me, hence the thread.
Die Perspektive, aus der man die Situation betrachtet (aber in Wirklichkeit kommt es aufs Gleiche raus
)."Ich stelle das Auto in die Garage." ~ ich komme von außen und fahre das Auto in die Garage.
"Ich stelle das Auto in der Garage ab." ~ ich bin (jetzt) in der Garage und stelle das Auto dort ab/ parke es dort."
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Ich glaube, da ist ein kleiner Unterschied. Etwas irgendwohin stellen ist neutral.
Aber wenn man etwas abstellt, bedeutet das manchmal, dass es etwas Unbrauchbares ist. Oder zumindest nicht oft benutzt wird. Siehe auch die Definition , die JClaudeK mit uns teilt.
Aber wenn man etwas abstellt, bedeutet das manchmal, dass es etwas Unbrauchbares ist. Oder zumindest nicht oft benutzt wird. Siehe auch die Definition , die JClaudeK mit uns teilt.
If you reflect a bit on it, it's not so weird that abstellen takes the Dativ while stellen comes with Akkusativ. "stellen", just like "put", needs a direction, a movement towards the place you put it; that's wohin, and that's Akkusativ.
Of course you could say the same about the verb "abstellen", but you have to consider that "ab" is something like "away, off".So the place where you do this "abstellen" is not really the target for placing it, but any place; because what you're doing is not so much about putting the car in a certain place, but not put it there where you would put it for being used.
I hope my idea gets through . . .
Of course you could say the same about the verb "abstellen", but you have to consider that "ab" is something like "away, off".So the place where you do this "abstellen" is not really the target for placing it, but any place; because what you're doing is not so much about putting the car in a certain place, but not put it there where you would put it for being used.
I hope my idea gets through . . .
I see the difference now. Thanks a lot @anahiseri and @JClaudeK
Thanks a lot for the extended explanation on both parts. It helps tremendously.
Thanks a lot for the extended explanation on both parts. It helps tremendously.
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"Etwas in der Garage abstellen" entspricht "in der Garage ankommen".
"Etwas in die Garage stellen" entspricht "in die Garage kommen".
Ich stelle den Wagen in der Garage ab. ~~~ Der Wagen ist in der Garage angekommen.
Ich stelle den Wagen in die Garage. ~~~ Der Wagen kommt in die Garage.
Das Abstellen / das Ankommen findet in der Garage statt.
"Etwas in die Garage stellen" entspricht "in die Garage kommen".
Ich stelle den Wagen in der Garage ab. ~~~ Der Wagen ist in der Garage angekommen.
Ich stelle den Wagen in die Garage. ~~~ Der Wagen kommt in die Garage.
Das Abstellen / das Ankommen findet in der Garage statt.
Abstellen (in contrast to stellen) only describes the act of leaving something at a place and not the previous process of taking it there. The garage is therefore the place where the event takes place and not the target of the action.
Of course. With "abstellen" you are obviously already inside the determined space and not moving into it. It is less about intuition and more about imagining what is actually going on that triggers either A or D in our brains.
Berndf explained it correctly: "Abstellen" is about leaving/putting something somewhere. In your paradigm it is about "where?" not "where to?". However, the focus on direction/location not always leads to the correct result.
Wo stellst du etwas ab? In der Garage.
You may be right, but:
I should have written: "not overly intuitive for learners of German", sorry. Native speakers of German don't have to think about it, so it's intuitive for them, I think. There have been numerous discussions here about "Wechselpräpositionen". There are some cases that are difficult for learners because…
But there are cases that seem to be difficult even for native speakers! You can look here: in Akk./Dat. einmarschieren
There seem to be regional differences, see here: in Akk./Dat. einmarschieren
Good to know: There are some verbs used with Wechselpräpositionen which are always followed by the dative, like "abstellen, ankommen, deponieren, lagern, ..... in + Dative".
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It might help to know that "abholen" and "absetzen" are also used with the dative:
Ich hole dich am Bahnhof ab und setze dich vor der Bäckerei ab.
"den Wagen in der Garage abstellen" is basically the same idea as "Michael vor der Bäckerei absetzen".
Ich hole dich am Bahnhof ab und setze dich vor der Bäckerei ab.
"den Wagen in der Garage abstellen" is basically the same idea as "Michael vor der Bäckerei absetzen".