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bondia

Senior Member
English-England
I hope that the lack of further messages is due to today being a Sunday, because I heartly want to believe that we still are all with the Japanese people. If it's any comfort to Japanese participants, at least all my relatives, friends, and even simple acquaintances are with you.

Yes, yesterday was Sunday, and I was away, otherwise I would have posted. Have just returned home and see that there are no new posts today, Monday.
My thoughts remain with you all in Japan, and thanks to you, Oldy, for reminding us.
bondia
 
  • bondia

    Senior Member
    English-England
    Hello bondia, I hope you didn't overlook messages 98 and 99, now in the previous page. It was really Flaminius, not me, who revived this thread.

    Indeed, you are right, Oldy Nuts.
    As I said, I just returned home after 4 days away, and read the latest posts too quickly.
    Thank you, Flaminius.
     

    Flaminius

    hedomodo
    日本語 / japāniski / יפנית
    Thank you, everyone for your warmest regards and supports for my country. Even if I risk ingrate-like exclusion of worthy countries, I would like to ask you to please allow me to thank countries that are offering help to us.


    Thank you very much, United States of America, for your 20000-man military rescue Operation Tomodachi.

    多謝, thank you, Singapore, for sending airplane-load of aid supply in, with the extra trouble of hiring a civilian plane instead of the originally-planed military one.

    Merci beaucoup, France, for information and support vital for containing the Fukushima disaster; we already owe a lot to L'Institut de Radioprotection et de Sûreté Nucléaire and Areva.

    ขอบคุณมากครับ ประเทศไทย! \\ (ด^__^ด) //
    Thank you, Thailand, for your gracious offer to lend two sets of whole gas power plants (122000 KW for each). หัวใจสวย!

    !טודה רבה מדינת ישראל
    Thank you, Israel, for your medial aid. Doctor Ofir Cohen and his team could start their mission just today!

    感恩, Taiwan, for such a huge amount of relief donation (from the government and the public) as well as 105 tons of vegetable.
     

    Oldy Nuts

    Senior Member
    Spanish - Chile
    Flaminius, I think it would have been fair to include those thousands of private individuals who have made their contributions through the many institutions that are gathering it througout the world. I know that there have been (and still are) campaings over here asking people to collaborate to help the people in Japan.

    But yes, it is quite right for you to thank publicly those contries that have contributed the most.

    Incidentally, it would sadden me very much if bondia and I were the only non Japanese participants still following this thread.
     
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    kidika

    Senior Member
    Español - España
    Incidentally, it would sadden me very much if bondia and I were the only non Japanese participants still following this thread.

    You´re not.
    I just don´t know what else to say...The Japanese have all the world´s support and actually I don´t understand why they don´t have more in Fukushima. I read that only yesterday, they asked for French specialists to come on site, or so I read in a Spanish newspaper. I hope I don´t hurt anyone´s sensitivities with this. I just find it odd and unfair.
     

    romarsan

    Senior Member
    SPAIN - SPANISH
    Kidika, please. Japanese people are suffering and they know everybody would like to help them in this difficult moments. They are fighting against the circumstances in a way that make me admire them still more than before. I know they have asked all the help they needed and they are doing and will continue doing things in the best of the possible way.
     

    Oldy Nuts

    Senior Member
    Spanish - Chile
    Kidika, romarsan. Let's not fight among ourselves; we are all backing the Japanese people, and most especially, the gigantic efforts being made at the nuclear plant.

    And it has been nice, and a great relief, to know that there are more than just two people listening in this thread. Just remember, even the same old "I'm with you", repeated for the hundredth time, is a help after a disaster of the magnitude on the one affecting Japan. I can tell by direct experience; just knowing that there were many people in different parts of the world who worried and cared for us did help after last year's quake here, and during the rescue of the 33 miners. And it also comforted the many other people who also came to know this directly or indirectly through me. So don't be afraid of repeating the same things over and over again.
     

    Vanda

    Moderesa de Beagá
    Português/ Brasil
    Oldy Nuts, although I don't post I am always reading it too. :) And like all of you, praying for these patient suffering people!
     

    Dama de noche

    Senior Member
    Español, España
    I would like to show my support too.

    I've always found Japanese people really worthy of admiration for several reasons, being one of them their behaviour in difficult situations. I have met some Japaneses and some of my friends have lived or are living in Japan and they have showed me or told me first-hand about it. Nevertheless, how they have reacted to this tragedy have left me speechless.
     

    Oldy Nuts

    Senior Member
    Spanish - Chile
    My dear Machy, don't you happen to have a spell or an infusion that may help here? (Just a very poor joke :eek:, but it would be marvelous if you had).

    For those not in the known: by coincidence, Machi is the name given in the Mapuche language to those persons, mostly women, chosen by the Higher Spirits/Powers, to heal the bodies and souls of "normal" people.
     

    Oldy Nuts

    Senior Member
    Spanish - Chile
    :) Tengo algo mejor. Tengo Fe. Tengo fe en que el pueblo japonés logre superar pronto este momento díficil.
    Estoy segura de que nuestros pensamientos positivos pueden ayudar.

    Of course. Faith can move mountains. Why shouldn't it also be capable of cooling a reactor? My scientific formation does not prevent me from thinking that your thoughts, those of bondia, my own, and those of so many others around the world can help. One way or another....
     
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    bondia

    Senior Member
    English-England
    Of course. Faith can move mountains. Why shouldn't it also be capable of cooling a reactor? My scientific formation does not prevent me from thinking that your thoughts, those of bondia, my own, and those of so many others around the world can help. One way or another....

    Que los dioses te oigan.
    Las últimas notícias de Fukushima no son muy alentadoras..
    Abrazos
     

    Pedro y La Torre

    Senior Member
    English (Ireland)
    Kidika, please. Japanese people are suffering and they know everybody would like to help them in this difficult moments. They are fighting against the circumstances in a way that make me admire them still more than before. I know they have asked all the help they needed and they are doing and will continue doing things in the best of the possible way.

    Well she actually raises a good point. It seems that TEPCO bears at least some of the responsibility in this whole catastrophe. When they've said things are getting better, you can take that as an indication that they're actually getting worse.

    Of course, everyone hopes and prays for the best, but that shouldn't be to the exclusion of what's going on on the ground.
     

    Oldy Nuts

    Senior Member
    Spanish - Chile
    Que los dioses te oigan.
    Las últimas notícias de Fukushima no son muy alentadoras..
    Abrazos

    It's the lack of accurate news about what is happening at Fukushima what worries me. My own impresion is that it means that things are not improving, but also not getting any worse. If they were either improving or getting worse, that would be selling news that would make it to all the headlines in all the media all over the world. At least, that's what I think.

    Addition: I insist in writing in English because participants visiting this thread do not necessarily understand Spanish...
     
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    romarsan

    Senior Member
    SPAIN - SPANISH
    Well she actually raises a good point. It seems that TEPCO bears at least some of the responsibility in this whole catastrophe. When they've said things are getting better, you can take that as an indication that they're actually getting worse.

    Of course, everyone hopes and prays for the best, but that shouldn't be to the exclusion of what's going on on the ground.

    I think this is not the thread to question anyone or anything, that's all, Pedro.
     

    Oldy Nuts

    Senior Member
    Spanish - Chile
    Well she actually raises a good point. It seems that TEPCO bears at least some of the responsibility in this whole catastrophe. When they've said things are getting better, you can take that as an indication that they're actually getting worse.

    Of course, everyone hopes and prays for the best, but that shouldn't be to the exclusion of what's going on on the ground.

    In my opinion, this is the time to cool down the reactors. Looking for responsibilities should come once this is done.
     

    Valeria Mesalina

    Senior Member
    Spanish, Spain
    It's the lack of accurate news about what is happening at Fukushima what worries me. My own impresion is that it means that things are not improving, but also not getting any worse. If they were either improving or getting worse, that would be selling news that would make it to all the headlines in all the media all over the world. At least, that's what I think.

    I don't think so, news last for some days, but no more. I trust rather more whatever information our Japanese members post.
     

    bondia

    Senior Member
    English-England
    I know that there have been (and still are) Campaings over here asking Thanks for the correction, dear bondia; although there is a difference between false friends and typos...:D

    Indeed. The strange thing is that just a week or so ago I made the same correction to another member (whose English is on the same superlative level as yours) so I guess it's a typo-cum-frequent lapsus... or maybe it needs a category of its own.
    Whatever, back on topic, I join Valeria Mesalina in placing more trust in the information from our Japanese friends than in the "official" news.
    All the best, fingers still crossed.
     

    Oldy Nuts

    Senior Member
    Spanish - Chile
    Oh my God! And it is getting worse! God have mercy!
    Dear Vanda, I am not sure if the high levels of radioactivity that have just been reported are an indication of things getting worse or not. They could very well be what would be normally expected so near the plant under the circumstances. Unfortunately, there is a lack of serious and acccurate information about what is happening.
     

    Oldy Nuts

    Senior Member
    Spanish - Chile
    I am one of the people concerned. ;)

    I am also one of the persons not directly affected by the situation who are worried by what is happening in Japan. And I wish we could have more accurate information than what makes it to the news.

    It's difficult to guess if the situation in the plant is improving or not based on what is published in the media. News like the most recent one about very high levels of radiation near the reactors say nothing to me without knowing if it is due to isotopes of short or long half lives, if those levels increased in the last couple of days or are a cummulative effect, if the contamination is likely to spread or will remain where it is, ...
     

    cubaMania

    Senior Member
    The news stories coming from Japan each day are heart-wrenching. I hope for the best possible outcome for all those mourning their loved ones, working to rebuild homes and businesses and lives, helping their family and friends and neighbors, and those brave souls working and sacrificing at the nuclear facilities. Though we no longer see dramatic pictures of walls of water, I know it must be terrible to endure the uncertainties of the now slow-moving disaster that continues in Japan. I hope aid will continue to flow into Japan, and that the courage and fortitude of the people will lead Japan to a bright, prosperous, and safe future.
     

    almostfreebird

    Senior Member
    Born and raised in Japón, soy japonés
    Things that happened caused by earthquake and subsequent tsunami are so disastrous we , especially those in disaster areas and real workers in front near reactors , are apt to be dismal, but they're hanging on and doing their best.

    Baseball begins soon, Tokio Disneyland will reopen soon. Some people say that kind of thing is not good thing to do now in this situation, but those are the things too that are needed.

    You can get voices from people(foreigners,Japanese whoever living in Japan ).
    http://wanwan.fm/badcommunication/
    http://www.japanprobe.com/
     

    Oldy Nuts

    Senior Member
    Spanish - Chile
    The media are now reporting the detection of traces of plutonium in soil samples taken around the Fukushima plant, which I found most perturbing at first. However, from what I have gathered visiting some serious sites, the amounts are small, they do not seem to be considered a threat for human health, and there is no evidence that the plutonium comes from the reactors.

    Just in case others have been alarmed by this news. Mind you, I am not saying that everything is normal and under control; there is too little information to know the real situation of the reactors. Only that the news about the plutonium is not nearly as bad as I thought on reading it.

    So let's continue praying, tying knots in handkerchiefs, ...
     
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    Valeria Mesalina

    Senior Member
    Spanish, Spain
    The media are now reporting the detection of traces of plutonium in soil samples taken around the Fukushima plant, which I found most perturbing at first. However, from what I have gathered visiting some serious sites, the amounts are small, they do not seem to be considered a threat for human health, and there is no evidence that the plutonium comes from the reactors.

    There are always radiactive particles in the soil; granite, for instance, is highly radiactive (I think it's uranium the one that's present in granite). So detecting radiactive elements in soil samples doesn't mean much.

    So let's keep our fingers crossed and pray for the suffering ones.
     

    almostfreebird

    Senior Member
    Born and raised in Japón, soy japonés
    The media are now reporting the detection of traces of plutonium in soil samples taken around the Fukushima plant, which I found most perturbing at first.

    According to IAEA(International Atomic Energy Agency), the level of plutonium detected around the facilities is no more than those that's been detected in many parts of the world resulting from nuclear experiments over several decades.

    However situations are still unpredictable.
     

    Oldy Nuts

    Senior Member
    Spanish - Chile
    According to IAEA(International Atomic Energy Agency), the level of plutonium detected around the facilities is no more than those that's been detected in many parts of the world resulting from nuclear experiments over several decades.

    However situations are still unpredictable.

    Thanks for the information. Both things confirm what I had found.

    And we are with you. May the efforts of those who are risking their lives be successful soon...
     

    bondia

    Senior Member
    English-England
    Thanks for the information. Both things confirm what I had found.

    And we are with you. May the efforts of those who are risking their lives be successful soon...
    Amen to that, my friend.
    I have just seen the latest news on TV with new images of Fukushima and a short report on the Prime Minister, Naoto Kan (I hope my spelling is right). Whatever mistakes may have been made in dealing with this catastrophe, this man, whose political ideals I know nothing about, has my sympathy, and, for what it's worth at this great distance, my moral support.
     

    Oldy Nuts

    Senior Member
    Spanish - Chile
    I have just read excerpts of Prime Minister Naoto Kan's press conference (same spelling of his name in the press here), and he also has my sympathy. My moral support goes not only to him, but also to all the Japanese people and, most specially, for those who are trying to neutralize the crisis in the nuclear plant.
     

    bondia

    Senior Member
    English-England
    No news now from our Japanese friends for 4 days, and news reports just give astronomical figures. Heard on the radio that the level of (was it radio activity, plutionium or what?) in the sea was 5 millon times the acceptable level. At least, that's what I think I heard. Is this possible?
    Thoughts still with you all. Please give us an update.
     

    Oldy Nuts

    Senior Member
    Spanish - Chile
    From what I understand from what is published in what I consider reliable sources, we are talking of the discharge in the ocean of some 12,000 tons of low-radioactivity water from the safe storage in some of the reactors. The reason is to make room for safely storing the high-radioactivity water that is still being produced. Figures published by TEPCO indicate that the radioactivity in the water being discharged is too low to represent any health danger, while the IAIE is asking for further numerical data in order to perform its own evaluation of the risks.

    So, my dear bondia, and all the others who care about this, it would seem that the situation is not getting any worse, which in this case would be good news. Let's hope so, and keep on praying, crossing fingers, whatever...
     

    bondia

    Senior Member
    English-England
    From what I understand from what is published in what I consider reliable sources, we are talking of the discharge in the ocean of some 12,000 tons of low-radioactivity water from the safe storage in some of the reactors. The reason is to make room for safely storing the high-radioactivity water that is still being produced. Figures published by TEPCO indicate that the radioactivity in the water being discharged is too low to represent any health danger, while the IAIE is asking for further numerical data in order to perform its own evaluation of the risks.

    So, my dear bondia, and all the others who care about this, it would seem that the situation is not getting any worse, which in this case would be good news. Let's hope so, and keep on praying, crossing fingers, whatever...

    Thanks as always, dear Oldy, for sharing your knowledge with us all.
     

    Oldy Nuts

    Senior Member
    Spanish - Chile
    8 days later, and still waiting...:(

    Yes, and what is worse is that I consider the latest news to be at best confusing. From what I gather from what I consider more or less reliable sources, the increase in the risk rating at Fukushima is just due to the fact that they had been rating the risk of each reactor separately, and now they are assessing the risk of the whole lot. More clearly, I understand that the increased rating is NOT the result of any recent event in the reactors, and it does NOT mean that the situation is any worse than before.

    Also, I understand that the aftershocks of the last week have not produced any new damage that has been detected so far.

    Yes, it would be good to have some direct news from our Japanese friends. It is however understandable that they may have more pressing things to do than visiting these forums...
     

    bondia

    Senior Member
    English-England
    Yes, and what is worse is that I consider the latest news to be at best confusing. From what I gather from what I consider more or less reliable sources, the increase in the risk rating at Fukushima is just due to the fact that they had been rating the risk of each reactor separately, and now they are assessing the risk of the whole lot. More clearly, I understand that the increased rating is NOT the result of any recent event in the reactors, and it does NOT mean that the situation is any worse than before.

    Also, I understand that the aftershocks of the last week have not produced any new damage that has been detected so far.

    Yes, it would be good to have some direct news from our Japanese friends. It is however understandable that they may have more pressing things to do than visiting these forums...

    Yes, indeed. As always, Oldy, thank you for being here.
    Un abrazo, amigo
     
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