Joan - English pronunciation

Discussion in 'Català (Catalan)' started by susanna76, Mar 12, 2013.

  1. susanna76 Senior Member

    Hi there,

    How would you give the pronunciation of the Catalan name Joan in English? I'm having trouble with that first sound, J. I don't think it exists in English. (Does it?)

    Thank you!
  2. Agró

    Agró Senior Member

    Alta Navarra
    It does, in some varieties of Catalan.

    Fon.: ʒuán (or., bal.); ʤuán (occ., Cast., Al.); ʧuán (Val.).
  3. sound shift

    sound shift Senior Member

    Derby (central England)
    English - England
    IPA /ʒ/ occurs in English "leisure", so English speakers ought to be able to pronounce Catalan "Joan".
  4. Agró

    Agró Senior Member

    Alta Navarra
    Right. I was thinking of an initial j- [ʤ-], as in 'John'.
  5. susanna76 Senior Member

    Right. Thank you both! I kept thinking of words with /dʒ/, like Agró. Somehow I couldn't think of any examples with /ʒ/ only. Thank you!
  6. ernest_

    ernest_ Senior Member

    Catalan, Spain
    At the beginning of a word, only in loan words, as far as I know: genre.
  7. susanna76 Senior Member

    Right, great example! It actually gave me the answer to a question I forgot to ask: how to write the sound of /ʒ/ without using the phonetic IPA. I looked up genre and remembered: it's [zh] that I should use (the pronunciation of genre is given as [zhahn-ruh]). Thank you! (Of course, leisure is similar, but I didn't look it up in a dictionary then, and so I didn't see the [zh], which would have answered my latent question.)
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2013

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