le pot au noir, le poteau [sic] noir

LMorland

Senior Member
American English
Hello folks --

I think that passage au poteaux noir is an idiom. Here's the context (it's the skipper of a sailboat speaking -- he's in one of those round-the-world reaces):

...elle avait un gain en double détente, un première détente, c'était hier et une deuxième détente, c'est le passage au poteaux noir. bon la deuxième détente, elle est morte....
Merci d'avance !
 
  • timandfe

    New Member
    english
    My daughter has homework where she has been asked what is "le pot au noir " we are not sure what it means, she has to know for monday, can anyone help us.

    Thank you
     

    archijacq

    Senior Member
    french France
    [From Wikipedia]
    The Intertropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ), also known as the Intertropical Front, Monsoon trough, or the Equatorial Convergence Zone, is a belt of low pressure girdling Earth at the equator. It is formed by the vertical ascent of warm, moist air from the latitudes north and south of the equator.
     
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    Lang-learner

    Senior Member
    France-french
    archijack is quite right.

    I flew as a professional bush pilot in South America and sometimes the weather in this "Pot au Noir" was so dreadful that all aircraft were nailed to the ground for days and days... leaving us some time to play cards and drink like fishes...

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    wildan1

    Moderando ma non troppo (French-English, CC Mod)
    Terme utilisé par St-Exupéry dans Terre des Hommes. C'est sans doute le texte à apprendre pour le cours de français de la fille de timandfe.
    Ainsi, lorsque Mermoz, pour la première fois, franchit l'Atlantique Sud en hydravion, il aborda, vers la tombée du jour, la région du Pot-au-Noir. Il vit, en face de lui, se resserrer, de minute en minute, les queues de tornades, comme on voit se bâtir un mur, puis la nuit s'établir sur ces préparatifs, et les dissimuler.
     
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    LMorland

    Senior Member
    American English
    Bonjour !

    Here are the words of a sailor in a race across the Atlantic:
    "Mais d’un gros grain au poteau noir, pourra te couter la victoire."
    The poteau noir is the area of depression around the equator. I'm sure that there's an expression for it in English, but WR doesn't haven't it and I can't find it anywhere else either.


    Any bilingual sailors out there who can help? :)
     

    LMorland

    Senior Member
    American English
    In french it's "le pot au noir", in English "the doldrums"
    Quinoa to the rescue again! :D

    Yes, I eventually discovered that on my own. However, there are not a few citations on Google of poteau noir, and so it's worthwhile, I think, to add this thread to the knowledge base of the Forum.

    Merci pour votre contribution.
     

    LMorland

    Senior Member
    American English
    First of all, Princess Lyka, I'd like to thank you again. In the 3+ years since you informed me about the Mandragore bilingual sailing dictionary, I've used it dozens of times.

    Except that it doesn't translate the term pot au noir, it just defines it!

    It turns out that the pot au noir is known in English as the Doldrums, a word that is more often used in its metaphorical sense.

    (And indeed, the sailor in the round-the-world race for whom I'm translating today is rather depressed -- he's literally and figuratively in the doldrums. Poor guy!)`
     
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    anne-kate

    Senior Member
    Hello,

    Voilà un explication de ce qu'est le pot au noir par un navigateur. On entend souvent cette expression dans les commentaires des courses à la voile.

    Cet espace géographique qui ceinture la planète est une zone de rencontre entre les alizés de l'hémisphère Nord et les alizés de l'hémisphère Sud. Une zone de forte turbulence, faite de gros nuages, de grains impressionnants, d'éclairs violents, d'alternances de vent fort et de pétole [absence totale de vent]",
    détaille Jean-Luc Nélias, navigateur.

    a-k
     
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