I've noticed sometimes its pronounced as a Y such as Marseille, Vaisselle.
But pronounced as L in cases like "une elle".
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But pronounced as L in cases like "une elle".
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-lle (prononciation)
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a +lle is pronouced [al] as balle
i +lle is pronouced [il] as ville, mille
u +lle is pronouced [yl] as tulle
e +lle is pronouced [εl] as échelle
o +lle is pronouced [ɔl] as corolle
ai +lle is pronounced [aj] as travaille
ai +l “ “ travail
ei +lle is pronounced [εj] as vieille
ei +l “ “ “ vieil
Sometimes i+ lle is pronounced [ij] as in vaciller [vasije] bille [bij]
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i +lle is pronouced [il] as ville, mille
u +lle is pronouced [yl] as tulle
e +lle is pronouced [εl] as échelle
o +lle is pronouced [ɔl] as corolle
ai +lle is pronounced [aj] as travaille
ai +l “ “ travail
ei +lle is pronounced [εj] as vieille
ei +l “ “ “ vieil
Sometimes i+ lle is pronounced [ij] as in vaciller [vasije] bille [bij]
K
"ille" is usually pronouced as Y.
There are a few exceptions to this rule: ville, mille, tranquille (pronounced L)
There are a few exceptions to this rule: ville, mille, tranquille (pronounced L)
What about "Bastille"? Does the word follow the general rule, or is it pronounced as ville, mille, tranquille? (I believe that the L's are pronounced in the name of the city Lille.)
« Bastille » is like « bille », [ij].
A useful list of words that end in <ill> but an /l/ sound :
http://french.about.com/od/pronunciation/a/ll.htm
http://french.about.com/od/pronunciation/a/ll.htm
Not a native speaker, but I'm pretty sure that 'vanille' is pronounced more like 'van-eey' with /j/ at the end.
See #4. 'Vanille' is not on the list of exceptions where -ille is pronounced like -eel (e.g. 'ville' and 'mille').
See #4. 'Vanille' is not on the list of exceptions where -ille is pronounced like -eel (e.g. 'ville' and 'mille').
When I pronounce the end of 'vanille' it sounds a wee bit like the /ç/ in the German 'nicht'. A slight /ç/. Actually it's not a "clear" /j/.
Yes I've gone through various enunciations and arrived at Vaneeya. The a at the end is softly voiced as something of an aftermath of the elongated y/j sound. I wonder where Persian gets its Vaneel from since it tends to adopt such terms from French. Perhaps its a Persian adaptation to Vaneeya.
Really? To my ears, that would be a really odd pronunciation. The standard pronunciation is clearly [vanij] as mentioned above – there is no [ç] or [l].
I understand exactly what Tartopom means. In contrast to the loose and "open" articulation of the English words 'bee' and 'wee', French speakers say the final /j/ of 'bille' and 'oui' with more tightness in the jaw. As a result, there is often a soft "cchh" sound produced on release, as the air that's been held back by this constriction is expelled at either side of the tongue. As this expulsion of air is released from the velar zone, it isn't guttural like the 'ch' of 'nicht', but it does have very much the same quality of sound. The only difference is the place of articulation.
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Yep, WMcW.
I wouldn't say it's guttural - that's not the German or Scottish /x/. But indeed it's not /j/ like in 'un yack'. As you said some air expelled but I'd say mainly under the tongue.
I wouldn't say it's guttural - that's not the German or Scottish /x/. But indeed it's not /j/ like in 'un yack'. As you said some air expelled but I'd say mainly under the tongue.
It's funny, because I can hear this slight -ch when I say oui or merci, but never with vanille, it ends with -ye for me.
Interesting, Locape.
I can hear that slight sound /ç/ when I say 'oui' but not 'merci'.