I must be particularly thick today because I don't understand what we are talking about..The death of "Loro" (Plural, "you"), not "loro" (they)
esse/essi, that is a synonym of loro means They, not You (plural).You mean esse/essi, that is you plural?
They are hardly used in spoken Italian, and you can find them in very formal written Italian or in poems and books written during the past centuries.
Yes, Essi/Esse are a "sexwise" synonym of loro meaning They.Esse/Essi are used for "they" and not "you"? right?(to clarify, cos I've gone and got confused now, haha).
Sorry, mate..you're right all along the line.You're enjoying confusing me today, aren't you!!! lol.
Uppercase "L" + oro = You
Lowercase "l" + oro = they
So if "esse/essi" are synonyms of "they", then why did you say "Loro" (plural you), maybe it's the way I have read grammar lessons, but "loro = they" (unless at the beginning of a sentence) and the other one is for "You, formal, plural".
Yes, Essi/Esse are a "sexwise" synonym of loro meaning They.
If this is what you meant, keep it this way Lots of my books say if it is a lowercase "l" it's "they", and you don't want to go around confusing people now do you Paul? Tormenting their dreams and making them rip their hair out in confusion! lol. Only joking
That's funny because essi/esse is still much more common than Loro used as 2nd person formal plural..the good news is that they don't even teach essi/esse anymore in the US introductory Italian texts. However, they continue to present Loro (2nd person formal plural.)
Let me try to recap:So do I understand correctly that voi or Voi is used instead? And Loro is reserved for heads of state etc.?
UinniLet me try to recap:
Lei is the formal way to address a person, male or female (you 2nd singular)
lei is the usual way to address a female (she).
Voi is the very(?) formal way to address a person, male or female (you 2nd singular) in South Italy.
Voi is the formal way to address more than one person (you 2nd plural)
voi is the usual way to address people, males or females (you 2nd plural)
Loro is the very formal way to address people, males or females (you 2nd plural), which is in decline (but you may hear it in restaurants/hotels where waiters and the like tend to be highly formal).
loro is the iusual way to address more than one person (they) -which has almost replaced essi/esse)
In realtà nì. Nell'italiano commerciale scritto si usa il Voi non come formale per persona singola ma come formale per una pluralità di persone (che compongoo l'azienda). Tralaltro, il "Voi" viene sempre più soppiantato dal "voi" minuscolo.Qui tra i mangiabistecche è praticamente morto e sepolto, anzi direi estinto!!! Si usa praticamente solo nell'italiano commerciale scritto, ma non nella lingua parlata.
P.s., ma "tra l'altro" si può scrivere tutto attaccato? Non l'avevo mai visto scritto cosìIn realtà nì. Nell'italiano commerciale scritto si usa il Voi non come formale per persona singola ma come formale per una pluralità di persone (che compongoo l'azienda). VERO!
Tralaltro, il "Voi" viene sempre più soppiantato dal "voi" minuscolo. Voglia Iddio, con tutte queste maiuscole si perde la via per tornare a casa!!!
Even better: "Sono sporchi". When speaking we usually don't "stress" the person.So,"Essi sono sporchi" would be an old fashion way of saying they are dirty. Instead I should say, "loro sono sporchi" . Right?