Mała błąd Marga. Muszisz mówic, "Anatoli has given a good explanation".
Powodzenia do ciebie!
Excuse my terrible Polish!
mówić (Can it mean "to say"?)
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Powodzenia do ciebie!
Excuse my terrible Polish!
I checked my Angielsko-Polski Słownik and verified that mówić and the perfective form powiedieć are like the Russian говорить/сказать in that they can mean both "to say" and "to speak". However in Bulgarian they are different: говоря "I speak" and "казвам" "I say" (Bulgarian has no infinitives) Are the words different in Czech?
They are a little bit tricky;
Speak to me.
Powiedz coś do mnie.
He told me to go out.
Powiedział mi żebym wyszedł.
Do you speak Polish?
(Czy) mówisz po polsku?
I talked to him for five minutes and he didn't say a word.
Mówiłem do niego przez pięć minut a on nie wypowiedział ani słowa.
I talked with him for all day long about what he'd done.
Rozmawiałem z nim cały dzień o tym co zrobił.
IMO context is the key here by which you can pick a pertinent translation.
Thank you Brian for correcting my mistake.Please always do!In return of this may I correct your Polish?
Mały błąd (rodzaj męski)
Życzę ci powodzenia! or Życzę powodzenia! or simply Powodzenia!
"musisz mówić" it is a long story..
I don't agree with Thomas that is only the matter of context.It is problem of polish grammar.I will try to explain clearly.
Mówić and powiedzieć are 2 infinitive forms of one verb (both mean to say,to tell or to speak ,depends on the context)
Most polish verbs have 2 forms of infinitive: forma niedokonana (mówić) imperfective aspect,incompleted or repeated action and forma dokonana (powiedzieć) perfective aspect,completed action.Usually they are quite similar.For exemple:
robić - zrobić (both mean to do or to make)
pisać - napisać (to write)
jeść - zjeść (to eat)
Sometimes the ending differ:
dawać - dać (to give)
wygrywać - wygrać (to win)
So you can say "musisz mówić głośniej" (because I can't hear you) -repeated action) but "musisz powiedzieć coś"(something :word or sentence - it is competed action)
In your post it would be better "powinnaś powiedzieć"(you should say) or "Ja bym powiedział"(I would say)
Pozdrowienia.
In return of this may I correct your Polish?Mały błąd (rodzaj męski)
Życzę ci powodzenia! or Życzę powodzenia! or simply Powodzenia!
"musisz mówić" it is a long story..
I don't agree with Thomas that is only the matter of context.It is problem of polish grammar.I will try to explain clearly.
Mówić and powiedzieć are 2 infinitive forms of one verb (both mean to say,to tell or to speak ,depends on the context)
Most polish verbs have 2 forms of infinitive: forma niedokonana (mówić) imperfective aspect,incompleted or repeated action and forma dokonana (powiedzieć) perfective aspect,completed action.Usually they are quite similar.For exemple:
robić - zrobić (both mean to do or to make)
pisać - napisać (to write)
jeść - zjeść (to eat)
Sometimes the ending differ:
dawać - dać (to give)
wygrywać - wygrać (to win)
So you can say "musisz mówić głośniej" (because I can't hear you) -repeated action) but "musisz powiedzieć coś"(something :word or sentence - it is competed action)
In your post it would be better "powinnaś powiedzieć"(you should say) or "Ja bym powiedział"(I would say)
Pozdrowienia.
Interesting, but Jana who pointed this problem out is familiar with aspects!!! I don't think it's matter of Polish grammar, rather matter of semantics. Heretofore I translated both "říci" and "říkat" as "powiedzieć". But now I see it was'nt absolutely correct. My dictionary says:...
It is problem of polish grammar.I will try to explain clearly.
Mówić and powiedzieć are 2 infinitive forms of one verb (both mean to say,to tell or to speak ,depends on the context)
Most polish verbs have 2 forms of infinitive: forma niedokonana (mówić) imperfective aspect,incompleted or repeated action and forma dokonana (powiedzieć) perfective aspect,completed action.Usually they are quite similar.
...
říkat = mówić
říci = powiedzieć
So, it really seems to work as aspectual pair. But I don't think it's real aspectual pair since it is'nt cognate.
In Czech we have (imperfective/perfective form):
říkat / říci ~ say
mluvit / promluvit (or domluvit, mluvívat...) ~ speak
povídat / povědět ~ talk
Only the first pair works together with "slovo" (=word).
Hello again,
I suppose it is especially complicated topic because of a great number of close meaning words.Also in English:say,speak,tell,talk -it is not easy to foreign student!We have even more verbs which are similar and difficult to catch their nuances:mówić/powiedzieć,rozmawiać/porozmawiać,wypowiadać się/wypowiedzieć się,rzec(the old one)gadać(familiar),pogadać.
I see from your post that it is the same thing in Czech language.
Pozdrowienia.
I suppose it is especially complicated topic because of a great number of close meaning words.Also in English:say,speak,tell,talk -it is not easy to foreign student!We have even more verbs which are similar and difficult to catch their nuances:mówić/powiedzieć,rozmawiać/porozmawiać,wypowiadać się/wypowiedzieć się,rzec(the old one)gadać(familiar),pogadać.
I see from your post that it is the same thing in Czech language.
Pozdrowienia.
I agree with what Werr wrote.
I did not say that this is only the matter of context and I don’t think that Polish grammar is a problem either. I said that the context is the key thing here which doesn’t mean it’s the only thing here. As a matter of fact, I would say that the grammatical issue of perfectiveness/ imperfectiveness and the semantical one— the context are strongly intertwined. If you change the context you change the aspect on a number of occasions as well.Marga H said:
It’s not the posfix it’s the infix that makes the verb imperfective.Marga H said:
I don't quite know how they work in terms of reality but according to the criteria I can make out from your comment wymówić would be the real perfective counterpart of mówić.werr said:
A few more tiny mistakes, Marga. I know that articles are difficult for native speakers of most Slavic tongues because you don't have them in your languages.
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Brian
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Brian