timpeac said:Good points Jana/Egueule, it's no wonder we couldn't come to an agreement in the argument we had in the office then if the terms are inherently ambiguous. It was amazing though how "clearly" it seemed to some people that it must be one, whereas it was just as "clearly" the opposite for others. You two brain-boxes spoilt the fun before the arguments could begin!!
timpeac said:Thanks for clearing that up, but it might be good if you could add your evidence.
daviesri said:That was what I was always taught. Since you asked for evidence it seems that I have been misinformed all of these 40+ years. It seems that you can use either one for either time because of the definition of each. My vocabulary from now on will only use 12 noon and 12 midnight.
I didn't mean to admonish you either, timpeac. I coincidentally remembered something about it or I would never have found it. I agree about thread titles and this is precisely why it's a good rule, though we are better now than we used to be!timpeac said:Well I absolutely positively swear I searched before posting this!! (I searched for "midday".
Ah, I've just checked. The thread you are referring to did come up but since it was called "my boss and I" I didn't think it was relevant. Since we can't be expected to read every thread that comes up on a search to check the subject hasn't already been discussed this neatly shows the need to add relevant subject titles to our threads!!!
So don't admonish me mods!!
Normally here in the Philippines, we normally call 12am as 12 midnight. The 24-hour clock is normally used here as military time.modgirl said:I think a 24-hour clock is so much easier. If you tell me to meet you at the train station and that your train arrives at 8:00, is that morning or evening? Certainly, we usually try to clarify, but just saying 0800h or 2000h is so much easier.
josama said:The USA, as usual, is behind the rest of the world, where the 24 hour time is increasingly widespread. The same has happened with the SI of units.
daviesri said:I do not think we are behind the rest of the world, I feel that we are just independent thinkers that choose when and when not to follow.
Why fix it if it ain't broke. Personally though, I like the 24 hour clock and the date method (dd/mm/yy vs mm/dd/yy) but I cannot deal with the metric system. True, it is simpler, but it would throw away years of schooling that tauqht me how many pints to a quart, quarts to a gallon, feet to a yard and to a mile and so on.
maxiogee said:In this case, no time announcement can be accurate, but we can say "It's around noon", or "It must be close to midnight". So we do need to have a name for these times.
aceizace said:Yes definitely, I was just trying to point out that if anyone was trying to say that the time was midday there's a negligible chance that it is actually spot on.
The answer seems obvious to me. THEY use a 24-hour clock, but WE don't. Your flight is at 12 PM/AM meaning nothing, how would we know which it is? I once had a 11:59 AM flight and was told this. Myth or not, I can't say.maxiogee said:Sounds like an urban myth. Airlines all use the 24 hour clock - where would the ambiguity arise?
I think of 12:00 A.M. as midnight and 12:00 P.M. as noon. This is, however, a perfect example of why we should switch to the 24-hour clock (1200 hours and 2400 hours).
What time of day is 12AM. Is it midnight or midday?
I was talking with people at work about this, and not everyone agreed.
It suggests midnight to me, but I think that it is ambiguous.