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Where did you see this sentence?

I've written it myself. It's like, for example, 'commit suicide by two times as many as others'. But there is this 363% in the Farsi text I'm translating. I'm not sure how to write it in proper English.Where did you see this sentence?

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I agree.

(But I'm not sure that asthma is a disease.)

(But I'm not sure that asthma is a disease.)

Thank you for teaching me this structure.I would have said something like "People having diseases such as asthma, diabetes, and Crohn'sare 363% as likelyto commit suicide as other people." 363% would be a little overthreeand a half times as likely

It is a chronic disease. Asthma | National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (NHLBI)(But I'm not sure that asthma is a disease.)

There is an earlier thread (probably one of several) regarding "more likely" vs. "as likely."

Suppose Appleby, Barrow and Cockermouth are three towns, each with 10,000 inhabitants. In Appleby, 5,000 people have a car.

If you say people in Barrow are 10%

If you say people in Cockermouth are 10%

The likelihood of people in Appleby, Barrow and Cockermouth having cars can be expressed as percentages:

In Appleby, 50% of people have a car.

In Barrow, 55% of people have a car.

In Cockermouth, 5% of people have a car.

Percentage values like these are often compared (in an opinion poll, for example), and here you need to be very careful not to mislead or make completely wrong statements.In Barrow, 55% of people have a car.

In Cockermouth, 5% of people have a car.

You can say that people in Barrow are 50

In general, I recommend using 'more' and a percentage value only when the difference is fairly small; up to 100% is fine but much beyond this and it starts becoming difficult for people to understand.

For bigger increases, such as the OP's example, use a numerical multiplier. Just to confuse matters, as soon as you use a numerical multiplier the distinction between 'as' and ''more' becomes blurred, and for clarity I recommend only using

Suppose Appleby, Barrow and Cockermouth are three towns, each with 10,000 inhabitants. In Appleby, 5,000 people have a car.

If you say people in Barrow are 10%morelikely to have a car than people in Appleby, this means 5.500 people in Barrow have a car.

If you say people in Cockermouth are 10%aslikely to have a car than people in Appleby, this means that only 500 people have a car.

The likelihood of people in Appleby, Barrow and Cockermouth having cars can be expressed as percentages:

In Appleby, 50% of people have a car.Percentage values like these are often compared (in an opinion poll, for example), and here you need to be very careful not to mislead or make completely wrong statements.

In Barrow, 55% of people have a car.

In Cockermouth, 5% of people have a car.

You can say that people in Barrow are 50percentage pointsmore likely to have a car than people in Cockermouth, but you cannot say they are 50% more likely to have a car (they are 1000% more likely to have a car).

In general, I recommend using 'more' and a percentage value only when the difference is fairly small; up to 100% is fine but much beyond this and it starts becoming difficult for people to understand.

For bigger increases, such as the OP's example, use a numerical multiplier. Just to confuse matters, as soon as you use a numerical multiplier the distinction between 'as' and ''more' becomes blurred, and for clarity I recommend only usingas, so the OP's 363% more likely (if 'more' was correct in the first place) becomes 4.63 times as likely. If she meant 363%aslikely then this becomes 3.63 times as likely.

Thanks for your complete explanationBe very careful in the terms you use with percentages. As others have said, the OP shouldn't really use a percentage in her example, but if she does use a percentage, then 'as likely' does not mean the same as 'more likely'. This may seem contrary to the advice in the thread The Newt links to, but that thread doesn't refer to percentages. Things become even trickier when your starting point is a probability, which may itself be expressed as a percentage.

Suppose Appleby, Barrow and Cockermouth are three towns, each with 10,000 inhabitants. In Appleby, 5,000 people have a car.

If you say people in Barrow are 10%morelikely to have a car than people in Appleby, this means 5.500 people in Barrow have a car.

If you say people in Cockermouth are 10%aslikely to have a car than people in Appleby, this means that only 500 people have a car.

The likelihood of people in Appleby, Barrow and Cockermouth having cars can be expressed as percentages:

In Appleby, 50% of people have a car.

In Barrow, 55% of people have a car.

In Cockermouth, 5% of people have a car.Percentage values like these are often compared (in an opinion poll, for example), and here you need to be very careful not to mislead or make completely wrong statements.

You can say that people in Barrow are 50percentage pointsmore likely to have a car than people in Cockermouth, but you cannot say they are 50% more likely to have a car (they are 1000% more likely to have a car).

In general, I recommend using 'more' and a percentage value only when the difference is fairly small; up to 100% is fine but much beyond this and it starts becoming difficult for people to understand.

For bigger increases, such as the OP's example, use a numerical multiplier. Just to confuse matters, as soon as you use a numerical multiplier the distinction between 'as' and ''more' becomes blurred, and for clarity I recommend only usingas, so the OP's 363% more likely (if 'more' was correct in the first place) becomes 4.63 times as likely. If she meant 363%aslikely then this becomes 3.63 times as likely.