moshika shitara, watashi wa anata o suki ni natte shimau kamoshirenai
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moshi kashitara, watashi wa anata o suki ni natte shimau kamoshirenai...
My Japanese is not strong enough but something along the lines
if ???, perhaps I would stop liking you.
Perhaps, I may end up loving you
or
Perhaps, I may become fond of you
depends on context.
It could be "moshi kashitara watashi-wa anatta-ga suki-ni natte shimau kamo shirenai" ... もし貸したら私はあなたが好きになってしまうかもしれない
If you lend me (object is not mentioned), maybe I will like/love you (start liking you) (= fall in love with you)
moshi ... tara - "if" construct
kasu -> kasimasu -> kasi-tara - to lend
watashi-wa - I (subject) - letter は (ha) is pronounced as wa in this case
anatta-ga - you (object of liking)
suki-ni natte shimau - start liking
watashi-wa anata-ga suki desu- I like/love you
IMHO, it should be "ga", not "o" particle.
suki-ni naru - start liking
shimau - here it means the completion of action, doesn't need
to be translated
kamo shirenai - maybe
If you lend me (object is not mentioned), maybe I will like/love you (start liking you) (= fall in love with you)
moshi ... tara - "if" construct
kasu -> kasimasu -> kasi-tara - to lend
watashi-wa - I (subject) - letter は (ha) is pronounced as wa in this case
anatta-ga - you (object of liking)
suki-ni natte shimau - start liking
watashi-wa anata-ga suki desu- I like/love you
IMHO, it should be "ga", not "o" particle.
suki-ni naru - start liking
shimau - here it means the completion of action, doesn't need
to be translated
kamo shirenai - maybe
I beg to differ. This doesn't have anything to do with lending. 若しかしたら (もしかしたら/moshikashitara) is a set phrase meaning "perhaps; maybe; by some chance".
I also think あなたを (anata o) is perfectly fine. It doesn't need the added emphisys of が (ga). It might actually be wrong to use が, but I'm not sure, I always get confused by particles...
Yes, you're right. Agree with the first - moshikashitara (in combination with kamoshirenai), although it can also mean if you lend in a context.
As for - "suki da/desu" it requires a -ga particle. Grammatically "suki-na" is an adjective (suki-na kudamono - favourite fruit), same with kirai (dislike), jouzu (good at), heta (bad at), etc. kare-wa nihongo-ga heta da - he is bad at Japanese.
watashi-wa aisukuriimu-ga suki desu.
as for me (-wa) (it is icecream - ga) icecream, which is favourite (=suki desu). "suki" doesn't take an object particle (-o)
As for - "suki da/desu" it requires a -ga particle. Grammatically "suki-na" is an adjective (suki-na kudamono - favourite fruit), same with kirai (dislike), jouzu (good at), heta (bad at), etc. kare-wa nihongo-ga heta da - he is bad at Japanese.
watashi-wa aisukuriimu-ga suki desu.
as for me (-wa) (it is icecream - ga) icecream, which is favourite (=suki desu). "suki" doesn't take an object particle (-o)
Suki doesn't always require ga as particle. And suki ni naru with wo is a rather common construction, even more than "ga suki ni naru".
You can check this with google:
ga suki ni naru (557,000 hits)
wo suki ni naru (1,190,000 hits)
I think the tendency is to use "ga" when talking about something in general: onna ga suki ni natta, doubutsuen de doubutsu ga suki ni natta, and "wo" when talking about something that is one of a kind, as for example, a particular human being: [someone] wo suki ni natta, jibun wo suki ni narimashou!.
However that is not to say that these previous sentences are to be said with wo, and that is not possible to say them with ga (nor the ga ones with wo). As I said, this is some kind of tendency I noticed from japanese speakers. Also I cannot grasp the nuance difference (if there's one at all).
Cannot back this up with grammar, I leave that part to Modereetaa Flaminus and his ilk
What you say is not an impossible sentence structure, but I think in that kind of situations it would turn out into something like "kashite kuretara".
You can check this with google:
ga suki ni naru (557,000 hits)
wo suki ni naru (1,190,000 hits)
I think the tendency is to use "ga" when talking about something in general: onna ga suki ni natta, doubutsuen de doubutsu ga suki ni natta, and "wo" when talking about something that is one of a kind, as for example, a particular human being: [someone] wo suki ni natta, jibun wo suki ni narimashou!.
However that is not to say that these previous sentences are to be said with wo, and that is not possible to say them with ga (nor the ga ones with wo). As I said, this is some kind of tendency I noticed from japanese speakers. Also I cannot grasp the nuance difference (if there's one at all).
Cannot back this up with grammar, I leave that part to Modereetaa Flaminus and his ilk
No, thats moshika suru.
What you say is not an impossible sentence structure, but I think in that kind of situations it would turn out into something like "kashite kuretara".
が really simply adds emphasis.
あなたを好きです。 - I like you.
あなたが好きです。 - I like you. (You, and not that other person.)
Sometimes it makes a big difference, sometimes it doesn't.
Thanks all, you got me there
moshika shitara, watashi wa anata o suki ni natte shimau kamoshirenai : it may well be that I'll end up loving you [who knows ?].
Sneeka2 is right, nothing to do, here, whatsoever, with kasu (to lend).
moshika shitara (sometimes followed by kamoshirenai at the end of the phrase for more emphasis) = it may well be, it could be, it may happen that ...
Sneeka2 is right, nothing to do, here, whatsoever, with kasu (to lend).
moshika shitara (sometimes followed by kamoshirenai at the end of the phrase for more emphasis) = it may well be, it could be, it may happen that ...
Is this correct?
若しかしたら、私はあなたを好きになってしまうかも知れない。
I have two questions:
1) しまう、what does that mean or add in this sentence? I think I know, but I may be wrong.
2) かも、are these two particles following each other? How do they work together? Is this mostly for emphasis?
Gaer
0) 若しかしたら is usually written in kana.
1) to end up, to finish up, to do something completely. 食べてしまった！ I ended up eating it! (kinda like "oops! I ate it all!"). It's too dangerous! You'll end up dying! 危険すぎ！死んでしまうよ！
しまう in past tense (しまった！) is also used kinda like "f**k!" / "I screwed up!", eg: when noticing that you forgot your passport just after hearing the last boarding call. (of course, there's no cursing nuance in this)
2) かも is usually followed by しれない/しれません.
箕面の滝に行ったら、サルが見えるかもしれない
if you go to the fall of minoo, you might see monkeys (monkeys are usually around the minoo park, but you can't be 100% positive that the person you're talking to WILL see one).
I'm not sure, but I'll tell you the "logic" I used to think this kind of expressions when I was studying japanese.
for instance, you can say "I don't know if he'll come" like this:
かれが来るかわからない
however, by saying so, you're eliding the topic marker wa
the complete sentence would be:
かれが来るかはわからない
you turn the previous concept(s) into one block with ka and make it the topic with wa. かも知れない is just the same kind of construction, in my opinion.
It's worth noting that the kamo binding particles combination is so linked to shirenai that in a casual chat you would just say kamo, leaving shirenai implicit.
明日雨がふらないかも maybe it won't rain tomorrow.
1) to end up, to finish up, to do something completely. 食べてしまった！ I ended up eating it! (kinda like "oops! I ate it all!"). It's too dangerous! You'll end up dying! 危険すぎ！死んでしまうよ！
しまう in past tense (しまった！) is also used kinda like "f**k!" / "I screwed up!", eg: when noticing that you forgot your passport just after hearing the last boarding call. (of course, there's no cursing nuance in this)
2) かも is usually followed by しれない/しれません.
箕面の滝に行ったら、サルが見えるかもしれない
if you go to the fall of minoo, you might see monkeys (monkeys are usually around the minoo park, but you can't be 100% positive that the person you're talking to WILL see one).
I'm not sure, but I'll tell you the "logic" I used to think this kind of expressions when I was studying japanese.
for instance, you can say "I don't know if he'll come" like this:
かれが来るかわからない
however, by saying so, you're eliding the topic marker wa
the complete sentence would be:
かれが来るかはわからない
you turn the previous concept(s) into one block with ka and make it the topic with wa. かも知れない is just the same kind of construction, in my opinion.
It's worth noting that the kamo binding particles combination is so linked to shirenai that in a casual chat you would just say kamo, leaving shirenai implicit.
明日雨がふらないかも maybe it won't rain tomorrow.
moshika shitara, watashi wa anata o suki ni natte shimau kamoshirenai : it may well be that I'll end up loving/liking you [who knows ?].
Like may be better...
Like may be better...
It's worth noting that the kamo binding particles combination is so linked to shirenai that in a casual chat you would just say kamo, leaving shirenai implicit.
Very true.
You may also have so kamo (shirenai) = could be, might be that, it's likely .
Very true.
You may also have so kamo (shirenai) = could be, might be that, it's likely .
Let's remember that しまう can also mean something that caused us problems, and it implies a very strong meaning of disillusionment（不本意）.
Santi.
Santi.
Santi, しまう can oftentimes be used in sense of unwillingness and connotes disillusionment or disapproval when denoting something which as been already happened (てしまった). Here, I would suggest 好きになってしまう implies involuntariness (非随意), which, though similar to unwillingness, does not necessarily mean that the speaker is against the way things (here, his own emotion) are unfolding.
Flam,
who is glad to see you again.
Flam,
who is glad to see you again.
Oh I got it. She/He is not against that, but maybe is afraid to become attracted, or doesn't really want to, but his/her emotions are stronger than his self restraint... Sort of. （笑）
By the way, is 非随意 the same as 不随意？
Santi,
Whose PC's screen broke down and was off for 2 days
ただいまぁ♪
By the way, is 非随意 the same as 不随意？
Santi,
Whose PC's screen broke down and was off for 2 days
ただいまぁ♪
Well, not sort of. I think you hit the nail on the head.
By the way, 不随意 and 非随意 are both involuntary but according to a Google search;
不随意 vs. 非随意 = 466,000 : 28,000.
By the way, 不随意 and 非随意 are both involuntary but according to a Google search;
不随意 vs. 非随意 = 466,000 : 28,000.
I see that is is sometimes written with kanji, but only a small percentage of the time. Thank you for letting me know.
I understand 危険. Danger. It is dangerous. きけん。With すぎ on the end, does that mean "too dangerous"? Is this something that can be added to many words? I found several words that mean things like "important" that often have the form: ___すぐだね。
This I understand now: 死んでしまうよ！
I understand.
I did not know this, but now I do. In fact, if you do a search for かもし、かもしれない seems to come up most frequently.
I understand.
Excellent. All these explanations were very helpful. Many thanks!
Gaer
sugi is the stem of 過ぎる (beyond, to exceed, way too [something])
Some examples:
- 飲みすぎじゃないですか！ 帰りましょうか (you drank too much, haven't you? let's go back home)
- 寝すぎた (I overslept)
- 相手は強すぎ！ ぜったい負ける！ (his rival is too strong! he'll lose for sure!)