Also:
"le dressing": walk-in closet
"le paperboard": "flip chart"
"un lift" (tennis): "a topspin shot"
"le dressing": walk-in closet
"le paperboard": "flip chart"
"un lift" (tennis): "a topspin shot"
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Non-English English words
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guerilla is pronounced the same as gorilla which is handy for silly jokes.Is 'ee-the-berg' really any sillier than 'gue-wree-llah' and 'pah-tee-ow' (or whoever on earth you pronounce my favourite hispanicisms in English i.e. 'guerrilla' and 'patio')?
The woman who lived across the street from me when I was a kid pronounced "patio" to rhyme with "ratio". I'm sure she had no idea of its origin.
How about this one!
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jonr%C3%B3n
Es incluida tambien en la RAE.
It wouldn't surprise me if American/U.S. baseball terms had entered Japanese and Korean vocabulary and now Chinese, too.
Nomi
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jonr%C3%B3n
Es incluida tambien en la RAE.
It wouldn't surprise me if American/U.S. baseball terms had entered Japanese and Korean vocabulary and now Chinese, too.
Nomi
But at least they´re SORT OF close to the proper pronunciation! "Iceberg" in Spanish just kills me everytime!Is 'ee-the-berg' really any sillier than 'gue-wree-llah' and 'pah-tee-ow' (or whoever on earth you pronounce my favourite hispanicisms in English i.e. 'guerrilla' and 'patio')?
I don't think it really works in reverse since English is just entirely comprised of words from other languages.
Oh, some foreign-words-as-pronounced-by-English-speakers can be a bit giggle-inducing too, trust me.
Don't I know it. I know I'm guilty of it. But if I know it's foreign, even if it's in everyday vocabulary, I try and pronounce it "correctly", but most of the time this just makes me sound pretentiousOh, some foreign-words-as-pronounced-by-English-speakers can be a bit giggle-inducing too, trust me.
Don't I know it. I know I'm guilty of it. But if I know it's foreign, even if it's in everyday vocabulary, I try and pronounce it "correctly", but most of the time this just makes me sound pretentious
What always made me wonder is the BE pronounciation of "lieutenant".
Words become part of a language if they are used enough. Spaghetti is an English word for all practical purposes as is Kindergarten, Santa Ana (type of wind), sauna, or piano... By the same token, Handy is a German word, berries is becoming a Chilean Spanish word, etc... It's a common thing for languages to incorporate words of "other" origin.
In Italian, I confirm smoking (tuxedo), footing (jogging), flipper (pinball machine) and many others already mentioned.
WC is also pronounced in the Italian way ("vee-tchee"), or sometimes referred to as water, but pronounced "vah-ter".
I'd like to add trolley, used alone (not in association with other words) to indicate a trolley bag for long distance trips, a piece of luggage, and not the normal trolley used for supermarkets or labs or restaurant kitchens, etc.
And block-notes, with a funny pronounciation ("block-noh-tess"), meaning a notebook or a writing pad.
WC is also pronounced in the Italian way ("vee-tchee"), or sometimes referred to as water, but pronounced "vah-ter".
I'd like to add trolley, used alone (not in association with other words) to indicate a trolley bag for long distance trips, a piece of luggage, and not the normal trolley used for supermarkets or labs or restaurant kitchens, etc.
And block-notes, with a funny pronounciation ("block-noh-tess"), meaning a notebook or a writing pad.
Here in Argentina we have many examples of the 'misuse' of English words, some of which I see are the same as those mentioned in French.
Dinner jacket/tuxedo -smoking
Tracksuit/jogging pants - jogging
Shopping centre - shopping
Jogging (activity) - footing
Campsite - camping
Parking lot - parking (not very common)
Dinner jacket/tuxedo -smoking
Tracksuit/jogging pants - jogging
Shopping centre - shopping
Jogging (activity) - footing
Campsite - camping
Parking lot - parking (not very common)
Mispronouncing with misspelling: coocooning (with pronounced twice) is frequently heard and found in French. Ahem... French?!
Paul Taylor, an English comedian who's lived in France for 9 years and speaks impeccable French, has a very interesting analysis on this situation
LES ANGLICISMES EN FRANÇAIS - #FRANGLAIS - PAUL TAYLOR
Well worth a look, though not a relooking.
Oh gees, what a subject. Franglais drives me batty. There is a new one every day. Black Friday toute la semaine. Often I have to ask French people what the words are supposed to mean.
That one is fairly obvious, all the same. You get used to it after a while. The one that really took me time to decipher is "shunter" (which is a term used in IT meaning to bypass) from the English "to shunt". The problem is that the French pronounce it as something approximating "shanter" which is nothing like the English pronunciation of "shunt".
Some more from German:
Public Viewing - is rather a pleasant event, namely watching a sports event together on a big screen in a public place
Bodybag - messenger bag
Oldtimer - not an old person but a classic car
Pullunder - sweater vest
Showmaster - TV host
Slip - underpants
Spot - a short video clip, normally a commercial
Shooting - you don't need a gun but a camera in German; a photo shoot
An the other way round German words English speakers use in a different sense:
stein - not a drinking vessel in German but just a "rock", "stone" or "brick"
blitz - the sole word can't be used to describe a quick action; "thunderbolt" or "flash" or as verb "being caught speeding (by a camera)".
Public Viewing - is rather a pleasant event, namely watching a sports event together on a big screen in a public place
Bodybag - messenger bag
Oldtimer - not an old person but a classic car
Pullunder - sweater vest
Showmaster - TV host
Slip - underpants
Spot - a short video clip, normally a commercial
Shooting - you don't need a gun but a camera in German; a photo shoot
An the other way round German words English speakers use in a different sense:
stein - not a drinking vessel in German but just a "rock", "stone" or "brick"
blitz - the sole word can't be used to describe a quick action; "thunderbolt" or "flash" or as verb "being caught speeding (by a camera)".
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Iceberg comes form Dutch ijsberg = "ice mountain"
The English mispronounce berg, so why can't the Spanish or Italians?
Recently, it was Black Thursday in Flanders, which is the day before Black Friday, which is the day after Thanksgiving
Another good one in Flanders is:
a sandwich: a little milk bread
(pronunciation: sontwish)
A baguette with meat and/or cheese and vegetables is called a club, for instance "club kaas" (club cheese). A baguette with meat and/or cheese without vegetables is called a broodje.
a sandwich: a little milk bread
(pronunciation: sontwish)
A baguette with meat and/or cheese and vegetables is called a club, for instance "club kaas" (club cheese). A baguette with meat and/or cheese without vegetables is called a broodje.
Vegetables? Do you mean salad stuff, like lettuce, tomato, cucumber, that sort of thing? To me vegetables suggests a load of peas, carrots and Brussels sprouts (among lots of other cooked “greens”)!
Hm that sounds a bit odd to me. A sliced tomato or cucumber isn't really a salad. It still needs some kind of dressing or sauce to become one.
I didn’t say it was a salad, I said salad stuff (ie some of the ingredients that you might find in a salad). Things like tomatoes and cucumber are often found in sandwiches, I was wondering if that was meant by vegetables (if it is, then that’s not what we call such things in sandwiches in English).
I think so.
Or olive oil.
Yes, that is what I meant. How do I know which edible plant parts are vegetables and which are salad in English?
Also, a "club" with no cheese or meat is called a "club" or a "smos". (literally a "spill", maybe because you are likely to spill some salad while eating)
But what is this called in English? A sandwich with just salad?
Good question. Perhaps any uncooked vegetable is "salad stuff" for Englishmen.
Salad is a dish in itself: lettuce, tomato, crouton, pasta etc. and is eaten in a bowl with dressing. A Caesar salad, a Cobb Salad, potato salad...
In French, salad equals lettuce. For a sandwich, you don't say with salad in English. Better say a sandwich with lettuce, pickles, onions, raw veggies.
Very very interesting. There are lots ...
I just found "Sunpoint" but did not find it in dictionaries.
I just found "Sunpoint" but did not find it in dictionaries.
So I can't say "a baguette with vegetables", but I can say "with raw veggies"?
And what about cooked cucumbers (with pasta, for instance)? Can we then call them vegetables?
And what about the sprouts Stoggler suggested: are they also vegetables from the moment you cook them, or are they already vegetables when they are raw?
Isn't "raw veggies" a contradiction? If vegetables are "cooked salad stuff" (?), then how can they be raw?
Cambridge Dictionary and Wordreference mention none of this! I also didn't learn it in my (English) plant physiology course. For now I am assuming you guys are just messing with me. I'll just stick to the dictionary.
VEGETABLE | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary
vegetable - WordReference.com Dictionary of English
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I don't know if puenting ('bungee jumping' in European Spanish) could be considered as belonging to this category or be rather regarded as a weird hybrid, with a clearly Spanish word (puente 'bridge') and a clearly English suffix (-ing).
1) Vegetables in the first meaning is just a type of plant - carrot, lettuce, onion, peas, beans..... so it is never wrong to say it.So I can't say "a baguette with vegetables", but I can say "with raw veggies"?
And what about cooked cucumbers (with pasta, for instance)? Can we then call them vegetables?
And what about the sprouts Stoggler suggested: are they also vegetables from the moment you cook them, or are they already vegetables when they are raw?
Isn't "raw veggies" a contradiction? If vegetables are "cooked salad stuff" (?), then how can they be raw?
Cambridge Dictionary and Wordreference mention none of this! I also didn't learn it in my (English) plant physiology course. For now I am assuming you guys are just messing with me. I'll just stick to the dictionary.
VEGETABLE | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary
vegetable - WordReference.com Dictionary of English
2) Now in practice if someone says to me "the boy won't eat his vegetables" I logically take for granted they are cooked. If the waiter promises to bring me some vegetables I assume they are cooked too, and if he brings a salad I'm going to be slightly surprised. If I order vegetables, I don't have to specify "cooked vegetables, cooked carrots, cooked peas" because I'm sure they will be, you get the idea...
3) For sandwiches, salads, dips, hors d'oeuvres I would always say "raw veggies". In the specific context of a burger or sandwiches I could never say "What vegetables do you want on it?" but maybe other people do.
Salad is a prepared dish with raw veggies: lettuce, tomato, cucumber, radish, avocado etc. Those green leafy plants that continental Europeans call salads are types of lettuce: head of lettuce, iceberg lettuce, bibb lettuce, romaine lettuce...
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A USB flash drive (memory stick) is called a "pendrive" in Hungarian and everyone assumes it's the same in English.
Interesting, they say that in Spanish too.
Thank you, that was helpful, so vegetables and raw veggies are not the same.
In Dutch, salade or slaatje means the same thing as a salad in English. Lettuce is "sla" in Dutch.
In Argentina they sometimes say "el country" for "the country club": Estudiantes abrió las puertas del Country para aislar pacientes por el coronavirus
In Spanish people also sometimes send Un christmas to people they know to celebrate the holidays. That comes from Christmas (card), dropping off the end.
In Spain, not in Spanish. We don't say "enviar un christmas" en México.
But voleibal has a translated variant: balonvolea. The same is true for fútbol: balompié.
Si hay algunos ejemplos de uso de Christmas en México. Busque, verbigracia, el artículo de El Empresario titulado Christmas digitales, nuevo ciberdelito o la noticia de SM Radio titulada Los duques de Cambridge felicitan la Navidad con sus hijos.
No, no usamos "christmas" para las "tarjetas navideñas". Esa nota que encontraste es del 2011, y es una copia actualizada de una del 2010 de medios españoles:
https://fotos.subefotos.com/ed2bd95fd3c19999af19d8a4f519f12eo.jpg
Ni en toda España. Sospecho que ese uso es regional.
Eso es verdad, pero el anglicismo es cada vez más común, y conozco a gente joven que no conoce las palabras españolas.
Interesting how balompié and balonvolea didn't really catch on in Spanish (specially considering that the -tb- combination of fútbol/futbol is so "unSpanish" that people had trouble to pronounce it and said "fúsbol, fúngol" and similar things). However, baloncesto and balonmano are common usage, at least in the Spanish of Spain.
In Catalan, we use the English terms adapted: futbol, voleibol, handbol and basquetbol (or bàsquet).
In Catalan, we use the English terms adapted: futbol, voleibol, handbol and basquetbol (or bàsquet).
Quite true. Although balompié and balonvolea were common back in the days before English became more common in Spain, several 1970s issues of a Spanish comic called Zipi y Zape (most Spanish people here will know them) already used fútbol. (But they also used balompié, so all was not lost.)
¿La noticia de SM también es una importación?
Tan común que prácticamente tiene la exclusiva de uso.
Balompié arrived after fútbol and people were already used to fútbol (Fútbol Club Barcelona, Real Madrid Club de Fútbol...). Balonvolea had more success and there was a time in which it was as used as voleibol (or, maybe, even more used) but finally voleibol became the usual name and balonvolea is rarely used nowadays and might be unknown by younger generations.
In fact, it is unknown by younger generations. I’ve known plenty of people who didn’t know the word.
It's a real pity because it isn't a death word although it seems that it'll become totally out of use sooner than later. There are yet older speakers that use it and most/many not-so-old Spaniards have heard it but if most people don't care to let know the younger generations about it, they will be unaware of it as it seems that they are.
Quite a shame. I’ve never seen any word just fall out of use like that.
But when balompié was coined for the Real Betis Balompié in 1908, the sport had only been around for two decades and wasn't so massive yet either. And I certainly remember the word balompié and balompedista still being a bit more in use a few decades ago than it is today.
Sí, claro. La *primera aparición de esa nota fue en la revista "HOLA", que aunque tiene versiones mexicanas, estadounidenses (en español) y canadienses (inglés), la principal y que es fuente de muchas notas, específicamente en el tema de la **realeza, es la versión española.
La frase que describe la foto da pistas: ...felicitan la Navidad motorizados y de lo más veraniegos (un redactor mexicano no lo diría de esta manera, además de que no tenemos mucha idea de las "cosas veraniegas").
Es obvio, para mí, que la redacción proviene de un español:
Los duques de Cambridge han querido felicitar la Navidad de 2019 con un christmas de lo más familiar y muy veraniego, que han ilustrado con una foto en la que aparecen con sus tres hijos (...) Han sido muchos usuarios que ha recibido la postal, los que han querido difundirlo en las redes sociales.
*Me refiero a la primera aparición en idioma español
**En la versión mexicana, yo creo que no hay editores mexicanos que escriban sobre la realeza.
Me too but always far away from fútbol. The Ngrams of Google show that there was a time in which both terms had a similar use (balompié even leaded roughly a decade) but from the 60's onwards fútbol clearly won the match so to speak; being the victory bigger and bigger every decade. But it's not totally forgotten. In 2018, it was founded a club called C.F. Balompédica La Cueva. The short-lived Club Deportivo Palencia Balompié was founded in 2011...